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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 03:00:47 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   I always find it idiotic when people argue "Democrats are right wing by european standards"... lol there is no relative standard for center, it is an absolute... what they should say is "democrats are farther right compared to the average in europe". But to suggests they are right of center has little basis in reality. Their policies may not be as extreme left as politicians in europe, but they very clearly are left of neutral/center

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 04:20:25 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Ji Fu

     @Fu

     What are you on about, 100% of europe is capitalistic. The last time a us president tried to say they weren't and that they were socialist multiple countries prime ministers all stood up and told him off and said they were capitalist even.

     Never mind the fact that is **not** remotely how either side is defined, so its a moot point anyway.

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     Ji Fu (fu@hostux.social)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 04:20:27 JST Ji Fu

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     @freemo uhm, when you look at right wing as capitalist, and left wing as communist, which is the clear absolute, American Democrats are right wing, period the end. Regardless of what AM talk radio tells you President Biden is 100% in support of capitalism.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 06:29:31 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Peter Brown

     @peterbrown

     if you tried to get away from the binary divisions of Republicans and Democrats, your politics would become much more mature and stable.

     I aassume you mean the USA, and on that I agree, having two dominate parties and framing everything against those two is a big issue with american politics.

     Scandinavia is quite clearly a capitalist economy, but quite clearly operates a more socialist welfare program. They are neither socialist not capitalist. Time for some nuance

     Socialism and social-welfare are very very different things. You can have high social welfare with absolutely no elements of socialism.

     The best technical definitions I’ve found is something like this:

     social-welfare: We help provide support for those who are most vulnerable and need it, perhaps conditionally

     socialism: The means of production is publicly owned

     Communism: The means of production and distribution is public owned.

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     Peter Brown (peterbrown@mastodon.scot)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 06:29:32 JST Peter Brown

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     @freemo perhaps if you tried to get away from the binary divisions of Republicans and Democrats, your politics would become much more mature and stable.

     Scandinavia is quite clearly a capitalist economy, but quite clearly operates a more socialist welfare program. They are neither socialist not capitalist. Time for some nuance

     https://www.ted.com/talks/harald_eia_where_in_the_world_is_it_easiest_to_get_rich