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David Revoy (davidrevoy@framapiaf.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 02:40:14 JST David Revoy

Kicking Erwin Schrödinger out of my idols. Not because he chose a cat for his thought experiment, but because of one thing I learnt: he sexually abused children and kept a diary about it. 🤮 Src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Sexual_abuse
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1. A digital drawing colored with digital watercolor. Carrot, my red tabby cat comic character is kicking the ass on the edge of a cliff to a cartoon representation of Erwin Schrödinger. This one holds a box with a laser, a hammer and a bottle of poison. The ingredient of his famous his "Schrödinger's cat" thought experiment.
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  Erwin Schrödinger
  
  Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger (UK: , US: ; German: [ˈɛɐ̯vɪn ˈʃʁøːdɪŋɐ]; 12 August 1887 – 4 January 1961), sometimes written as Schroedinger or Schrodinger, was a Nobel Prize–winning Austrian and naturalized Irish physicist who developed fundamental results in quantum theory. In particular, he is recognized for postulating the Schrödinger equation, an equation that provides a way to calculate the wave function of a system and how it changes dynamically in time. He coined the term "quantum entanglement", and was the earliest to discuss it, doing so in 1932.In addition, he wrote many works on various aspects of physics: statistical mechanics and thermodynamics, physics of dielectrics, colour theory, electrodynamics, general relativity, and cosmology, and he made several attempts to construct a unified field theory. In his book What Is Life? Schrödinger addressed the problems of genetics, looking at the phenomenon of life from the point of view of physics. He also...
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 07:03:17 JST Aral Balkan
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  @davidrevoy @jrod3737 Here you go: https://web.archive.org/web/20230430001350/https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/how-erwin-schrodinger-indulged-his-lolita-complex-in-ireland-1.4749204
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  David Revoy (davidrevoy@framapiaf.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 07:03:18 JST David Revoy
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  @jrod3737 Same, I was sad reference [43] was behind this very strong paywall. I couldn't also digg into this part because of that.
  
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  Probably depressed (jrod3737@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 07:03:19 JST Probably depressed
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  I wish I could read the Irish Times article referenced in this Wikipedia page
  
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  David Revoy (davidrevoy@framapiaf.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:45:03 JST David Revoy
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  @lutzray Yes, disguting. I learnt it yesterday and then I couldn't believe most of the biography I read or portrait on video put that big part of his life to silence. Even the French Wikipedia page doesn't mention it ...
  Btw, sorry for the bad 'sunday timing'. I couldn't hold this info I learnt yesterday evening, I had to make a a drawing about it to reflect about it. Schrödinger cat box is so pop culture. I saw it on so many meme...
  
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  Les capsules du prof Lutz (lutzray@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:45:04 JST Les capsules du prof Lutz
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  @davidrevoy eh, thanks for ruining my otherwise perfect Sunday 😕
  Geez, this passage from Wikipedia is disgusting:
  he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius"
  
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  David Revoy (davidrevoy@framapiaf.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:46:10 JST David Revoy
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  @pepper1700 Oh oui. Le gars est décédé en 1961, et ça refait surface dans sa bio Wikipedia (en Anglais, toujours pas en Français d'ailleurs) seulement récemment. Comme si les infos était sortie du néant après 2021. Il y a du avoir de longs silences pour protéger un héritage de réputation et de grand homme de science... Dégoutant.
  
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  Pepper1700 :veritrek_gold: (pepper1700@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:46:11 JST Pepper1700 :veritrek_gold:
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  @davidrevoy C'est répugnant. Et le pire c'est que je suis certain qu'une vaste partie de l'humanité n'en a rien a foutre. :blobfoxdeadinside:
  
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  Christo 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧 (christo@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:50:26 JST Christo 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧
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  Always best not to have idols
  
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  David Revoy (davidrevoy@framapiaf.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:51:57 JST David Revoy
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  @scottcarlson I think if I need to refer to it, I'll use "Einstein unstable keg of gunpowder" that came a bit before with the same metaphor, but the story with the cat of Schrödinger did stick better in history : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat#Origin_and_motivation
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    Schrödinger's cat
    
    In quantum mechanics, Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment, sometimes described as a paradox, of quantum superposition. In the thought experiment, a hypothetical cat may be considered simultaneously both alive and dead, while it is unobserved in a closed box, as a result of its fate being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur. This thought experiment was devised by physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935 in a discussion with Albert Einstein to illustrate what Schrödinger saw as the problems of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. In Schrödinger's original formulation, a cat, a flask of poison, and a radioactive source are placed in a sealed box. If an internal radiation monitor (e.g. a Geiger counter) detects radioactivity (i.e. a single atom decaying), the flask is shattered, releasing the poison, which kills the cat. The Copenhagen interpretation implies that, after a while, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when one looks in the box, one sees the cat either alive or dead, not both alive and dead. This poses the question of when exactly quantum superposition...
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  @davidrevoy Thanks for this info. I will try to never refer to him again. Maybe I'll only ever call it the "Quantum Cat" experiment?
  
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  @Npars01 Thank you for all this links to continue on the topic. I'll probably read them another evening. It's a bit too heavy and I need to dip only a small toes into these waters for a limited time per day. But I'll do as I think information about it must be spread and understood by the largest part possible of the population.
  
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  Nicole Parsons (npars01@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:53:05 JST Nicole Parsons
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  Residential schools & child sexual abuse in New Zealand, Australia, UK, & Canada
  https://www.news.library.auckland.ac.nz/2017/10/06/native-schools/
  https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2017/quite-genocide/index.html
  Irish & Italian Catholic abuse that triggered a diaspora of immigrants & rates of alcoholism
  https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ps.53.8.1001
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/11/pressure-on-italy-catholic-church-face-child-sexual-abuse-reckoning
  American churches hiding massive sexual abuse scandals (Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, Jewish, Jehovah Witness, Sikh, etc) and an onslaught of gun violence & suicidal behavior.
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/31/feature/the-epidemic-of-denial-about-sexual-abuse-in-the-evangelical-church/
  https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/illinois-catholic-church-child-abuse-rcna86289
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    Rampant child sexual abuse is occurring in churches — not at drag shows
    
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    A new report alleges widespread sexual abuse by the Catholic clergy in Illinois. Will conservatives call for a ban on minors in churches?
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  Nicole Parsons (npars01@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:53:06 JST Nicole Parsons
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  One of the relatively unacknowledged risks to public health is the sexual abuse of children.
  So much evidence of societal trauma exists, yet it is ignored as a public health issue.
  South Korean & Japanese women so traumatized by the rampant misogyny of their cultures, that the birth rate had plummeted.
  Male supremacy has economic consequences
  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/03/south-korea-fertility-rate-misogyny-feminism/673435/
  New Zealand evidence that child victims of sexual abuse have reduced life expectancy of 10 to 20 years less
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  David Revoy (davidrevoy@framapiaf.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:54:11 JST David Revoy
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  @astralaegis Same.
  (And TIL for "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkshake_Duck" expression. Thank you, very interesting to know it.)
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    Milkshake Duck
    
    In Internet culture, a Milkshake Duck is a person who gains popularity on social media for some positive or charming trait but is later revealed to have a distasteful history or to engage in offensive behavior. The term has been connected to cancel culture, a perceived trend of call-out culture on social media, sometimes resulting in celebrities being ostracized and careers abruptly derailed by publicized misconduct. The phrase is derived from a Twitter post made on 12 June 2016 by Ben Ward, an Australian cartoonist using the online handle "pixelatedboat". His Twitter joke describes a fictional Internet viral phenomenon of a "lovely duck that drinks milkshakes" which is then immediately discovered to be racist. Ward stated the joke was partially influenced by the Chewbacca Mask Lady. Notable instances The phenomenon appeared prior to June 2016, in particular with Ken Bone during the 2016 United States Presidential debate, who was initially given positive exposure, until a questionable Reddit history was revealed after his appearances.The demonstration of the independently developed video game The Last...
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  astralaegis (astralaegis@dice.camp)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 08:54:18 JST astralaegis
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  @davidrevoy didn't see Schrodinger being milkshake ducked for me in 2023, but here we are
  
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  Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 09:08:33 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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  @breizh @davidrevoy @stemy Ça peut être par virer le nom, mais je dirais qu'au moins changer la façon dont on parle de la personne c'est déjà un pas, par example ne pas mettre la personne sur un piédestal voir idolâtrer.
  D'ailleurs c'est pas rare que les découvertes ne soient pas réellement attribuables à une seule et même personne, par contre pour les inventions c'est un peu plus compliqué parceque originalité.
  
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  Breizh (breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 09:08:35 JST Breizh
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  @stemy @davidrevoy C’est vrai que ce genre de sujet est délicat, je trouve. Si le type est effectivement dégoûtant, l’équation et cette expérience restent des trucs importants dans l’Histoire de la Science (et c’est effectivement loin d’être le seul).
  Comment on pourrait continuer à propager le principe de l’expérience sans en glorifier l’auteur ? 🤔
  Parce qui si on commence à jeter des progrès et autres avancées sous prétexte qu’une ordure les a créés, ou simplement répétés parfois, ça va être difficile :/
  
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  Stemy (stemy@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 09:08:36 JST Stemy
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  @davidrevoy La liste des personnalités adulées qui s'étaient comportés comme des crevards est affreusement longue. Je crois qu'on devrait séparer l'artiste de son oeuvre, parce que si on se met à jeter les réalisations de toutes personnes qui ont été unsafe, ça risque d'être une hécatombe.
  
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  David Revoy (davidrevoy@framapiaf.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 09:26:40 JST David Revoy
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  @breizh @stemy De toute façon, la science, l'equation reste 'vrai jusqu'a preuve du contraire', et j'imagine que plein de monde dégeux ont fait avancé la science, pour parfois de très mauvaise raisons (je fais confiance à l'humanité pour une multitude d'exemples bien sordide).
  La partie à jeter: les salles d'amphis à son nom, ou de l'éloges posthumes.
  Le côté "Chat de Schrödinger" expérience de pensé provocante et marquante restera sans doute dans la pop-culture longtemps...
  
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