@silvereagle Well written, if I were to criticize something, i would like to have some archive links and screenshots. I have no doubts about the story because I have been following this situation for a long time and had my own encounter with Ro, but it would underline that whole situation more and would give other people a way to research the situation themself. And it would also be something that could one hand out as a report to patreon for Ro's violations against ToS
@silvereagle@Jain Not everything though. You purposefully left out the bits about the race/black card. The fact that ro had evidence of that that the people didn't care about like you don't. That even afterward white people kept piling on stuff way out of context specifically to paint every last black person involved as baddy bad.
@Jain@silvereagle Wait. So you know the whole the bad space stuff started literally out of white people saying a black person was playing the race/black card even before ro presented the evidence they had? In an attempt to devalue any and everything ro said about racism on social media sites KNOWN to have racism on them?
@DryBird227@silvereagle It wasnt exactly like that but i had a feeling that he will try to frame people for whatever reasons he can find, if he will ever have an encounter with different peoples...
Around 2 months before the fallout happened i had my own encounter with him. And i learned how he does things...
Sadly its a bit hard to proof, since publishing DMs / changing their visibility seems not to properly work tho... That would be the thread im talking about: https://nya.house/notice/AXYpf4qXUC46bAxsAK Sadly it only loads when you load the post via the public timeline: https://nya.house/main/public
@Jain@silvereagle So. How about this as a possiblity. Unless you don't think it is possible. Ro. Was being bombarded by white people saying that racism on social media doesn't exist before getting any evidence (from ro or just common sense in general) and then ro had to deal with all of them at the time. And thought you were just yet another one.
@DryBird227@silvereagle My links, as well as my screenshots are just the situation what i told you: > In my own encounter, he had tried to frame me for threatening him. :blobcatshrug2: All petty excuses Nothing more, nothing less. I dont take things personally but you seems to be upset with my posts tho, even tho i cant find a reason for that. On the contrary, I only wanted to emphasize the statement that he framed people with my own experiences. :blobcatshrug2: Just to clarify: Ro was insulted and criticized by all kinds of peoples. Sometimes bad, sometimes justified. The point here is that you have to distinguish between justified criticism and petty bashing, and obviously he can't do that. Just as little as he can respond to criticism or even pay attention to it.
Nobody disputes that many People shited against Ro, between the generalized view of you, however, there is a lot of justified criticism and Ro behaves indisputably shitty towards this. Now while you want us to see Ro as an affected person, which we don't deny, you also have to understand that in the same move Ro shat unjustified on a lot of people. So stop lumping everyone together and judge each situation separately
@Jain@silvereagle Both the links you presented come up as nothing. Further. Race/black card? Nothing to say about that just like @silvereagle has nothing to say about it?
Even further. Why get personal about this? You're currently joining in AFTER i've already pointed out one of the first instances of people being upset with ro surrounded the race/black card thing no one wants to talk about.
@Jain@silvereagle Again. Not a word about the whole race/black card thing. I'm beginning to think that when it comes to white people of a certain caliber. Yall just can't commit on it. For fear that if you do something baddy bad will happen. lol
@DryBird227@silvereagle Excuse me? You dont know my race and you prejudging. It isnt about the whole race/black card thing in both encounters with Ro. Tell me please, why should it be about it? The picture of the situation does not change even a tiny bit with that information added or not. There is nothing that connects the situation in the blog, as well as my own encounter with what you have posted, or would you be so good as to explain the connection to me?
@DryBird227@silvereagle Ok, well. Lets do it your way. Assuming that your Screenshot is a major part of the fallout. (Which again, has imho nothing to do with the basic critic of their blocklist is harming instances). As i said and proofed, Ro tend to frame people for stuff they didnt do, thats a proofen fact.
But yes, I am happy to be enlightened should I be wrong somewhere, so let me take a deeper look at it: Your screenshot is a reply to Ro with i assume, that the person called out Ro for framing someone/something for beeing racist. That callout isnt in a fine way tho. Inside your screenshot you can also see how the person wrote that race doesnt seems to have anything todo in their situation/post/thread.
In my point of view, with the to me available informations, (i cant see the full context of the screenshotted thread), this is a rather angry reply, but it looks like a legitimate answer in this context.
@DryBird227@silvereagle In your Screenshot itself is explained that this phrase is in the context of an election and used to draw the attention to one's race. It is used by white peoples to discretize votes by black people. So in the context of that specific quoted situation it is racism because that phrase is then used to suppress black. So for this to apply to today's situation, it must first be determined whether the phrase is also used here for suppression too. It hardly depends on the context on if i should interpret this callout as racism or not.
If that angry callout is justified, and Ro framed someone for racism even tho it had nothing to do with racism, then its fine.
If that angry callout is wrong, and Ro pointed out racism, then that angry callout itself is racism.
(i saw you posted other thing in the meanwhile, give me some time to look at it)
@Jain@silvereagle To further explain. It would mean that trump played and is still playing the race card. That nazis did and still do play the race card. Both gaining noticable advantages in doing so because america and germany at the time...were/are..majority white. Meaning the likelihood of white people believing it are extremely high.
So logically it fits. A race attacked over hundreds of years? Doesn't fit. lol
@Jain@silvereagle Call it fate. Call it divine intervention. lol But i just so happened to be further curious about the term. Now. I know for a fact black people and people of color don't get anything extra from pointing out racism. In fact, every last time we do point out racism...the race/black card comes out to help other white people devalue any and everything we say. So. No advantage there.
@DryBird227@silvereagle With everything i know at the moment, the phrase is for absolute certainty not used "To attempt to gain advantage in an election by pandering to the electorate's racism" instead Ro is clearly accused of gaining an advantage by drawing attention to his own race. So yes, so the explanation of this phrase is correct, but without one slight proof that it is used in the same way as 60-70 years ago it happened in the UK or in other words to Ro's disadvantage, the whole phrase is by definition a callout and not racism itself.
> Further. It's much larger than if ro was setting someone up or not. No, as you actually posted, you cant just redefine language to something different, therefore i disagree on you with that.
> Heres something you can do. If you want. Find as many black people online as you can. And ask them. Have they ever been accused of playing the race card/black card. Then ask them after that. Do they feel they gained any advantages after pointing out racism/a racist. With said advantages not having anything to do with equality. My guess? A good 90 95% of black people you ask will say they have been accused of it. And no they didn't get any advantages after doing so. In fact, they were generally ignored/dismissed after. Which is exactly what so many are doing to ro.
You know what? Yes i know that your described situation would apply to 90-95% but still there you go, one does need the full context, to decide if Ro falls under those 90-95% or to those 5-10% and you know what? To all my available Information & my own encounter he falls under those 5-10% so i rather ask you again as i did before, please show me the full context of your screenshot so that we both can verify what the situation here is about.
@Jain@silvereagle Then ask them after that. Do they feel they gained any advantages after pointing out racism/a racist. With said advantages not having anything to do with equality.
My guess? A good 90 95% of black people you ask will say they have been accused of it. And no they didn't get any advantages after doing so. In fact, they were generally ignored/dismissed after. Which is exactly what so many are doing to ro.
@Jain@silvereagle Here's the link to it below. The origin of the term playing the race card that is.
Further. It's much larger than if ro was setting someone up or not. Heres something you can do. If you want. Find as many black people online as you can. And ask them. Have they ever been accused of playing the race card/black card.
And then afterward. Ask them how many times have they be accused of it.
@Jain@silvereagle Is there sucha thing as a trans-card? A woman card? A gay card? A bisexual card? A lesbian card? A jewish card? A muslim card? A republican card? A white card? A male card? A teen card? A kid card? A cop card? A politician card? A judge card? A lawyer card?
A trump card? An ace card? An anime card? A country music card? A rap card? A horror movie card? A card card? A car card? A bike card? A bus card?
@Jain@silvereagle Does racism still exist? Did it ever exist? If it did what was the general outcome/effect of said racism on how americans think about black people/people of color?
If say...racism exists to a 50% degree can a race card exist? What about 60%? 70% 80%? At what degree of racism existing would deem the race card as not existing?
@Jain@silvereagle Further. Can you name the exact benefits black people and/or people of color in general get from playing the race card? What are they specifically?
Do those benefits have anything to do with black people/people of color being treated equally? Does the advantages mean black people/people of color get something they/we wouldn't normally get? If so, what are those advantages?
@DryBird227@silvereagle > Can you name the exact benefits black people and/or people of color in general get from playing the race card? What are they specifically? In the situation of Ro it is to defame criticism, by framing someone for something they arent. Thats called a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
@Jain@silvereagle I'm not distracting anything. This whole thing hinges directly and exclusively on the race/black card. Since people were attempting to say there was no racism on mastodon.
So lets recap for a hot second. When a black person supposedly changes the meaning of a word you're upset. When white people change the meaning of a term though...you jump over it like nothing happened?
@DryBird227@silvereagle who is "you're"? what am i to you? as i said, it is racism when that phrase dont fit, it is not when the phrase fits not :blobcatshrug2: give me proofs, stay to facts and dont repeat stuff you already told
@Jain@silvereagle Help me out here. The original meaning of the term playing the race card meant white politicians using racism to win elections. Like donald trump. Which you're ok with?
But if i a black person SEEMINGLY change the meaning of something. You're upset?
@DryBird227@silvereagle > The original meaning of the term playing the race card meant white politicians using racism to win elections. Like donald trump. Which you're ok with? No, but as your screenshot says, the phrase is used with multiple meanings, read that damn screenshot you post
@Jain@silvereagle May i ask. Do you feel your..."criticisms" have been devalued? Or are there way more white people who will listen to you than me and ro?
@DryBird227@silvereagle > It isn't unrelated. A good 90% of the white people upset with ro and thebadspace presented what i presented to you as evidence of ro being a bad person. :blobcatfacepalm2: the fuck? instead of pointing me to the context and explaining if the original post is justified or not you are now determine justification upon some random number you came up with? whats wrong with you?
@Jain@silvereagle It isn't unrelated. A good 90% of the white people upset with ro and thebadspace presented what i presented to you as evidence of ro being a bad person.
That ro saying racism existed on mastodon proves he makes up racism and uses race to get what he wants.
Meanwhile, there's a mob of white people who have harassed him for months now. Did ro want to be harassed?
@DryBird227@silvereagle For sure i do since i had my own encounter, i read the whole situation too as well as you and i have my own point of view with ro... > Those people i've already talked to...don't like him because they say racism doesn't exist on mastodon and he's playing the race card. No one I have spoken to says that racism does not exist in mastodon. You don't seem to be in my bubble :blobcatshrug2:
@Jain@silvereagle You're a person who says they have valid critcisms of ro. And who joined in automatically without question with other people who also don't like ro. Those people i've already talked to...don't like him because they say racism doesn't exist on mastodon and he's playing the race card.
@Jain@silvereagle Did you or did you not say this to me? "No, as you actually posted, you cant just redefine language to something different, therefore i disagree on you with that. "
Which means you think i can't change the meaning of words/terms but you have nothing to say about how the term playing the race card was changed?
@DryBird227@silvereagle As i said, it is fair if its true, it is unfair if its untrue > How would you feel if it were used against you to silence you while you pointed out racism? Can you proof that? I asked you to proof that multiple times now
@Jain@silvereagle Oh i'm for sure without doubt not in your bubble. My bubble KNOWS racism exists everywhere. And would never say the whole race/black card thing.
By the way. Is there a white card? Could it be possible for a white person..say hitler...to use his race as a means to benefit?
@DryBird227@silvereagle > Oh i'm for sure without doubt not in your bubble. My bubble KNOWS racism exists everywhere. And would never say the whole race/black card thing. I never said anything against that, now you are framing me for something i didnt say
> How exactly could i prove if something is used against you when it's clear you've never noticed it has and never would notice if it had? lol Please get some knowledge in language. Your Screenshot about the playing card stuff shows the correct meaning how its used. You have to be a very mad Person to try to interpret it in a very wrong way to try to proof that your self-fulfilling prophecy is actually racism. Feel free to proof that im in the wrong by posting a link to your alligations instead of just posting 3 screenshots without context. If you can do so, i take the whole blame and will ask for forgiveness from the bottom of my heart from all those I have wronged.
> I asked how would you feel if someone used a term to silence you. Of course i will feel bad, extremely bad. But you have to admit that from my current point of view (The good space, This blog, the tech.lgbt statement, my own encounter, everything that got posted back then which i saw myself, and now half related stuff like my political view and my experience with fediverse admins) my own alligations and opinion can be justified the way i look at it.
> You asked me about my bubble. I answered about my bubble. lol I never asked about your bubble, i dont have any interesst in your bubble, i hope we can at least agree on that for each other.
> Again. Every last person i've talked to that hates ro avoids talking about the race/black card thing completely. Which is exactly the same thing you're doing.
After our conversation, I am very, very far from having no opinion of my own, ignoring that card thing completely as you say. I have my very hard and strict opinion, which you now know about. The only thing you could accuse me of from your point of view is that I close my eyes to it but i guess i tried my best to understand your issues and at least i tried you to show you my points tho. If you take them as valid or not, is up to you.
> So logic would find that i'm at the very least accurate if i were to say (which i never did) that your bubble would refuse to talk about the race/black card thing. You would have to be a mean person if you actually think of that. Not agreeing is far different from refusing to talk.
> I mean really. Every time i bring it up. You change the subject. I do? I dont, i try to get more arguments, proofs and facts out of you but it looks like we go round in circles and can't come to an agreement at all.
> Is it possible for black people/people of color to gain advantages outside of equality when racism still exists and is excepted by so many? Thats a question you never asked me before, i will gladly answer you that: Of course not, but let me explain things further: > Is it possible for black people/people of color to gain advantages outside of equality I think Ro did exactly that. Of course racism exists and unfortunately it is accepted by many. I think it's an absolute bottomless insolence what ro is pulling off there.
> Will you answer any of that? The world will never know. lol If the question is reasonable, you will get an answer.
@Jain@silvereagle You asked me about my bubble. I answered about my bubble. lol
Again. Every last person i've talked to that hates ro avoids talking about the race/black card thing completely. Which is exactly the same thing you're doing.
So logic would find that i'm at the very least accurate if i were to say (which i never did) that your bubble would refuse to talk about the race/black card thing.