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   Eaton (eaton@phire.place)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:15 JST Eaton

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   @futurebird @adriano @sentientmortal @melivia I’ve thought for a long time that religion isn’t just a particular perspective people have, it’s often the language they have *to describe perspectives.*

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     @adriano @sentientmortal @melivia

     People tell stories not just to "fit" a world view but to construct that view.

     To integrate observations, and judgements into something that is somewhat coherent. And to find out how we ought to remake ourselves.

     That's another reason why people turn to religion, in order to *change* in some way. To figure out how they ought to change so that they endure less suffering, or have some reason to justify the suffering that can't be avoided.

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     Adriano (adriano@lile.cl)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:17 JST Adriano

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     @futurebird @sentientmortal @melivia Well, yes, but the question is different: why do we adapt that compelling old story to make it fit to our own worldview? Because we want to be on the good side and it's much easier to rewrite it than to remake ourselves.

     At least that's my answer and I'm sticking to it. But on the other hand, I'm an atheist, so wdik

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:19 JST myrmepropagandist

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     @adriano @sentientmortal @melivia

     Because it's a compelling old story.

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     Adriano (adriano@lile.cl)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:20 JST Adriano

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     @sentientmortal @futurebird @melivia

     Why do we align the multifaceted savior figure inculcated in us since we were kids with what we think is good?

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     Sentient Mortal (sentientmortal@freeradical.zone)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:21 JST Sentient Mortal

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     @futurebird @melivia I don't understand any more which Christ people say they want to be like.

     Presumably the person who seems to have lived a couple centuries ago, rather than the constructs we have created since.

     One question is why does our analysis of this person -- his words, actions, motivation -- so track with people's current beliefs? In other words, why is he a progressive/conservative/liberal/justice/ect Jesus depending on who the storyteller is?

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:22 JST myrmepropagandist

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     @sentientmortal @melivia

     How do you see it?

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     Sentient Mortal (sentientmortal@freeradical.zone)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:23 JST Sentient Mortal

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     @futurebird @melivia if you say so.

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     Sentient Mortal (sentientmortal@freeradical.zone)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:25 JST Sentient Mortal

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     @futurebird @melivia Shall we deconstruct "christ-like" too, or is that too much for you right now?

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     @sentientmortal @melivia

     Is there that much to deconstruct? What is the main thing that Jesus did? "Died for our sins."

     He ended the need to make sacrifices to appease God by sacrificing himself. Through great suffering. And ending his life early after only some 40 years.

     So to be "Christ-like" is to be willing to endure suffering to make things better for everyone. It's the labor of unconditional love.

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 03:26:27 JST myrmepropagandist

     • Seph

     @melivia

     "Christ-like" has meaning. It's even something to strive for. I think about patience, love, foresight. The ability to transcend petty prejudices. The ability to teach well, and bring peace.

     The ability to give to those in need in a superhuman way.

     It's a meaningful idea.

     Things like this just destroy it.