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   feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 03:16:07 JST feld

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   • jwz
   • Martin Seeger
   @masek @jwz > if self-driven cars generate less accidents with injuries...
   
   reminds me about how roundabouts cause more accidents at busy intersections but the accidents cause much fewer injuries so it's a net win for society.
   
   https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-03/roundabouts-increase-certain-kinds-of-auto-crashes
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     Martin Seeger (masek@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 03:16:08 JST Martin Seeger

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     • jwz

     @jwz I am a number person. The question I ask: would it have been better if the car had been driven by a person?

     This needs to be answered in two contexts:

     1. In this specific scenario: As daily participant in the traffic wars as bicyclist, I have a very low opinion of human drivers. But it is realistically possible a human driver would have reacted better. That creates a liability for Cruise, but has absolutely no impact on whether they should be allowed on the streets or not.

     2. In general: if self-driven cars generate less accidents with injuries, I would rather argue for a ban of human drivers (and accept incidents like this one). If self-driven cars generate more accidents with injuries, they must not be allowed on the streets at all.

     As I read it: not the accident caused the ban but the attempted coverup.

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     jwz (jwz@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 03:16:09 JST jwz

     Murderbot reprieve.

     Cruise Self-Driving License Revoked After It Withheld Pedestrian Injury Footage.

     Cruise, one of two autonomous vehicle companies offering fully driverless taxi rides in the U.S., has had its license revoked by the California...
     https://jwz.org/b/ykFU