@Eiregoat@Terry if you're not religious, which it sounds like, you should consider that the people in a religion shape the religion. therefore, white christians are automatically based because their religion is just the intrinsic moral beliefs that whites have, formalized. I really wish this religious infighting would stop.
I don't see how you can argue against this. All the early christians were jews, it was a heavily jewish movement and it has always been an "ideology first" civ-nat type endeavour.
@Terry@Eiregoat@WandererUber The Scofield Reference Bible was 1909 and that had a whole section regarding a literal thousand year jewish kingdom. I'm sure he was inspired by others. Meanwhile St. John Chrystostom has 8 homilies titled "Against The Jews". Retvrn tø traditiøn.
@WandererUber@Eiregoat fuck that I will never stop being suspicious nor will I expect anyone else to be any less suspicious of a jew as the head of any christian denomination.
You are right to be angry, jews have no business making themselves the religious leaders of any White nation, I'm just pointing out that that's a huge part of this particular religion. I'm not sure you can keep christianity in it's current form and not have philosemitism.
@Eiregoat@Terry@WandererUber Christianity tolerated them provided they stayed in their lane. The Spanish Inquisition may have been a political act by the monarchy, but it was undoubtedly motivated by their religious beliefs.
> I feel the same way when I read about indo-european myths, language, and customs. "Hey, I think like that and I do this!"
Right. Whereas when I read about a story like the jews turning on the Gideonites, or ethnically cleansing Caanan, it makes less sense to me. Europeans did invade places but they didn't make excuses to genocide their allies or try to argue they're the holiest people on earth so they deserve it all.
> Yes, it worked like this for 2000 years almost, until the arrival of mass media and jewish control. Christianity was one of the harshest enemies of judaism. Those that rejected the church, bullshit outcasts and degenerates were the first to fraternize with them and go to bat for jewish emancipation!
With respect I don't think that's true. There were a few instances of the church hierarchy turning on the jews, but for the most part it was ordinary people kicking them out. And it's noteworthy that jews weren't a huge widespread problem before christianity, nor did they become widespread outside of christianised regions.
> This is one reason I didn't like going to church. Since then, I've learned that for most of history, christianity WAS often that. Sure, there was jesus and some prophets, but they had the european saints like roman soldier St. Martin, St. Patrick and also the (greek) evangelists! And people had folk heroes, and noblemen and knights, to look up to!
Yes, and I believe some of those saints were genuinely holy men, even if I don't share their beliefs.
Mostly nations run true to character. Europeans produced great philosophy before christianity, so they kept doing it afterwards.
@Eiregoat@Terry very interesting! >the europeans were amazingly conservative with their beliefs. The same stories, beliefs and practices show up everywhere. I feel the same way when I read about indo-european myths, language, and customs. "Hey, I think like that and I do this!"
>Is that how it works out though? Yes, it worked like this for 2000 years almost, until the arrival of mass media and jewish control. Christianity was one of the harshest enemies of judaism. Those that rejected the church, social outcasts and degenerates were the first to fraternize with them and go to bat for jewish emancipation!
>I think it would make more sense to teach White children their own history with their own sources of pride and their own heroes rather than feeding them the supremacy myths of a foreign culture from a young age. It's not healthy. This is one reason I didn't like going to church. Since then, I've learned that for most of history, christianity WAS often that. Sure, there was jesus and some prophets, but they had the european saints like roman soldier St. Martin, St. Patrick and also the (greek) evangelists! And people had folk heroes, and noblemen and knights, to look up to!
> you should consider that the people in a religion shape the religion.
This would be true if the core of the religion weren't jewish books.
> White christians are automatically based because their religion is just the intrinsic moral beliefs that Whites have, formalized.
The way I see it it's more like Whites who got stuck with a foreign religion for long-dead political reasons have done their best to reform it into something vaguely resembling european religious values.
Still a lot of baggage though.
> I really wish this religious infighting would stop.
I normally don't bring it up, but when a guy shows up on my feed openly pondering why jews are involved in a jewish religion it's a bit too hard not to take the bait.
@Eiregoat@Terry >I am very religious. May I ask what religion? Some sort of gaelic druidism perhaps?
>This would be true if the core of the religion weren't jewish books. I've seen it convincingly argued that, at most, the bible consists of HEBREW books, not JEWISH (as in modern jewry) That doesn't matter much, anyway. Because religious books are always dependent on the understanding of the reader, like all books. So if the reader is white, he will see jesus and say "hey that's what I think anyway, based" and when he reads about some desert fuckers killing the shit out of their neighbors, he will say "ah well, different times, glad we have the new covenant", whereas a jew would think "shame about this part, this jesus guy totally forgot about how we always cheat the goyim out of everything" and "i bet those canaanites deserved it", respectively. (No harm meant to any christians reading, whose theology I am butchering here)
> May I ask what religion? Some sort of gaelic druidism perhaps?
Something like that. I do my best to reconstruct the religion of my ancestors. They shaped it to help the universe make sense to their people and spiritually elevate them.
It's a bit like jurassic park where they're filling in the gaps with frog DNA but the europeans were amazingly conservative with their beliefs. The same stories, beliefs and practices show up everywhere.
> I've seen it convincingly argued that, at most, the bible consists of HEBREW books, not JEWISH (as in modern jewry)
I've been through that debate a few times, it's semantic. Modern jews act the same way their ancestors did as recorded in the bible. There's all the same pilpul, persecution complexes, god complexes, backstabbing, atrocity propaganda etc. If they are completely different people it's a massive coincidence they behave identically.
> That doesn't matter much, anyway. Because religious books are always dependent on the understanding of the reader, like all books. So if the reader is White, he will see jesus and say "hey that's what I think anyway, based" and when he reads about some desert fuckers killing the shit out of their neighbors, he will say "ah well, different times, glad we have the new covenant", whereas a jew would think "shame about this part, this jesus guy totally forgot about how we always cheat the goyim out of everything" and "i bet those canaanites deserved it", respectively. (No harm meant to any christians reading, whose theology I am butchering here)
Is that how it works out though? A hell of a lot of christians end up identifying with the OT jews and either worshipping them as the chosen people or trying to larp as them.
I think it would make more sense to teach White children their own history with their own sources of pride and their own heroes rather than feeding them the supremacy myths of a foreign culture from a young age. It's not healthy.