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   PC (pchoate@mas.to)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 01:34:45 JST PC

   #TIL that #JackBlack’s mother was maybe even more cool than Jack Black.

   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Love_Cohen

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     Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer: (twipped@twipped.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 19:51:30 JST Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     @PChoate @rysiek what I’m hearing is that NASA didn’t have Maternity leave…

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     Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer: (twipped@twipped.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 19:51:32 JST Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

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     • Darren Meyer

     @darrenpmeyer
     Emma is correct, you 100% reply-guy’d, here, and missed my point. I ignored it, because that is the reality of having a toot get traction.

     I was perfectly aware maternity leave didn’t exist, but it was context that was absent from the meme. Judith Cohen was indeed an amazing woman, but this meme is praising her for struggles she was forced to endure.

     It’s like praising a mouse for finishing a maze when there was a snake chasing it the entire way.

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     Darren Meyer (darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 19:51:35 JST Darren Meyer

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
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     • Mania Emma

     @Emmaf_77 This ain’t the hell bird site. People here do just hang out and build on conversations to be social; not everything is an argument.
     @twipped @PChoate @rysiek

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     Mania Emma (emmaf_77@piaille.fr)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 19:51:37 JST Mania Emma

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     • Darren Meyer

     @darrenpmeyer @twipped @PChoate @rysiek this answer is right and misses the point at the same time. You didn’t get what she meant.

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     Darren Meyer (darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 19:51:38 JST Darren Meyer

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     @twipped Jack Black was born in 1969 -- *no one* had maternity leave. It was generally assumed that women who became mothers would leave the workforce, and it was commonplace to simply terminate the employment of a woman who became pregnant (this was entirely legal until 1978!). The fact that NASA didn't just straight up fire her for getting pregnant was fairly progressive for the time.
     @PChoate @rysiek

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 19:51:48 JST clacke

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     • Darren Meyer

     @darrenpmeyer @twipped Sorry, but when I read it, I didn't read any yes-and into it.

     The start and finish "noone had maternity leave" and "progressive for the time" sound defensive, and are also true only in a US context. Danish working mothers had paid maternal leave since 1901.

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     Darren Meyer (darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 19:51:50 JST Darren Meyer

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     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     @twipped I didn’t miss your point, I agreed with it and added additional context for people who might be reading along and were unaware of it. I apologize if it was taken as conflict or correction — the intent was “yes, and”; that’s not an assumption that you didn’t know, it’s just conversation, where I assumed people (including you) who were aware of this would nod along and those who didn’t know might learn something interesting.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 11:40:02 JST clacke

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     • Darren Meyer
     @darrenpmeyer I understand your intent from the later discussion and I believe you, I'm just telling you what impression the text itself made on a third party who wasn't invested in the original post, had just read the post and was just reading that text. It could have been written differently.
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     Darren Meyer (darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 11:40:04 JST Darren Meyer

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     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     @clacke @twipped I’m sorry you read a defensive tone there, but that doesn’t make it my intent; given I have repeated clarified what I was going for, and the well known challenges with perception of tone over text, I’m not sure how to interpret your insistence that I must have meant something else?

     As for US-centric, yes. I figured that was obvious from context in speaking about US employers and laws, but perhaps not.

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     Darren Meyer (darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 11:40:04 JST Darren Meyer

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     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     @clacke @twipped for what it’s worth, I see how you could see those statements as defensive; but the intent was “it was so much worse than just NASA not having maternity leave”, and it seems like others have picked up on that intent on their own.

     If people assume bad faith, I suppose they will find it

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 11:40:08 JST clacke

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     • Esmo Ciredutemps

     @ciredutempsEsme @PChoate She wasn't Judith Love Cohen, she didn't help create the system, it didn't rescue the astronauts, she didn't bring work to the maternity ward and she wouldn't be the mother of Jack Black?

     The message is that she was badass for pulling it off, but it could have included that she shouldn't have had to be.

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     Esmo Ciredutemps (ciredutempsesme@mamot.fr)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 11:40:10 JST Esmo Ciredutemps

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     @PChoate nothing is correct in that pouet.
     That's crazy sexist for a toot trying to promote women.