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   e(Ag)le (silvereagle@furry.engineer)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 20:53:42 JST e(Ag)le

   Reading through this thread and it certainly looks like someone either just got shitcanned from Tusky, or is about to be, for having leveled some very justified (and honestly, very benign) criticism of TheBadSpace blocklist.

   I get flak for saying it, but there really is an ideological "cult" surrounding this project and the folks immediately running and supporting it. Any criticism of it, valid as it may be, is seen as bigotry, and since anything labeled "bigoted" is (often rightfully, but in this case, far too zealously) exterminate-on-sight in the Mastodon universe, it's far too easy to just designate the next target arbitrarily.

   Folks are uninstalling apps, defederating from each other, ripping thousands of connections apart, calling each other heinous horrible things, all because we have differing opinions about how best to keep the Fediverse a safe and inclusive place.

   I really think this is all getting out of hand.

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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 03:07:48 JST Pleroma-tan

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     @silvereagle have fun :)
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     eri :vlpn_smol::therian: (eri@moth.zone)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 06:38:33 JST eri :vlpn_smol::therian:

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     @irenes @silvereagle imho, Ro is a shitty person who pulls the classic "i'm [X minority] so i can't possible be bigoted towards [Y minority]"
     
     i would hate him just the same if he was white, frankly. i hate him because he constantly spews queerphobic rhetoric under the guise of anti-racism. i don't care what your skin color is if you're saying shit like that.
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     e(Ag)le (silvereagle@furry.engineer)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 06:38:34 JST e(Ag)le

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     The responses in the original thread spell out an ultimatum that some people refuse to work with anyone who criticizes TheBadSpace in any way:

     I can hardly imagine someone from our team not supporting Ro

     I have been helping Ro and that’s how people feel about it then I don’t wanna work with them

     All for what? These "receipts" are SO benign: they say "innocent users are going to get caught in the drama" (they are, and have), and they boost someone saying blocklists are in general a case of good intentions poorly executed (they are).

     None of this is, in any fucking way, racism or bigotry. This is a wholly uncontroversial take.

     And yet, the outrage inside Tusky not only forced the community manager out, but made them issue this apology:

     I am extremely sorry to anyone hurt by my thoughtless actions.

     What thoughtless actions?! You were 100% right, and got yeeted for it.

     That's fucked, right?

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     irenes (irenes@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 06:38:34 JST irenes

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     @silvereagle it's fucked, yes.

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     🦊⛩️稲荷大神の狐⛩️🦊 (kitsuneofinari@packmates.org)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:23:48 JST 🦊⛩️稲荷大神の狐⛩️🦊

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     @silvereagle it does not matter if the project is good or bad. It's not about that at all. The project is about control and who controls the Fediverse.

     It's, divide and conquer. Or as the old Microsoft term, "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish."

     They set the rules, anyone or any instance that argues against it, or any instance that gives any form of slight against them, will have you and your instance added to their massive controlled Blocklist.

     It is using fear to control the smaller instances in the fediverse and they want smaller instances to fear and cow tow to them or face the Blocklist.

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     Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.) (ari@famichiki.jp)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:19 JST Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.)

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     @Natanox @kitsuneofinari @silvereagle

     You mentioned you are concerned about the divide. Do you think the divide is because of TheBadSpace? Do you think the LGBT community is divided because of Ro? Do you think TheBadSpace created the TERF movement? Gays Against Groomers? Do you believe racism towards queer BIPOC is a retaliation of online "divide and conquer" on Mastodon? I'm begging people to go outside and interact with the world.

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     Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.) (ari@famichiki.jp)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:20 JST Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.)

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     @kitsuneofinari @Natanox @silvereagle I find it sad that people who don't have the courage to show any personal information about themselves post the most unhinged garbage on Mastodon. Step back and think about what you're writing. You're equating a blocklist to...war? This isn't a video game.

     Are you a white person? Despite the fact that I'm light-skinned mixed, I'm targeted by trolls almost every time I'm on this stupid app.

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     Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.) (ari@famichiki.jp)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:20 JST Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.)

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     @kitsuneofinari @Natanox @silvereagle
     Numerous white people who follow me see this happening on a regular basis. They don't experience this and they have told me this. They are aware that their time on Mastodon is vastly different from mine and other BIPOC folks. BIPOC I'm mutuals with get trolls on their content ALL. THE. TIME.

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     Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.) (ari@famichiki.jp)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:20 JST Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.)

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     @kitsuneofinari @Natanox @silvereagle

     I understand that none of you white/whitewashed individuals give a single shit about us because you don't interact with us; and instead spew this verbal diarrhea about how Fedi is being ruined because we don't want people in our mentions defending Nazis, or calling our food gross, or saying that racism doesn't exist here (all of which I've seen this month alone).

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     Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.) (ari@famichiki.jp)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:20 JST Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.)

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     @kitsuneofinari @Natanox @silvereagle

     I'm so very happy that none of you understand what this feels like and that you don't need to hesitate every time you want to talk about your culture and experiences. Are you so desperate for attention that you need us to see the discriminatory trash people in your circles love to share?

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     Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.) (ari@famichiki.jp)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:20 JST Arita 🧛🏼(Alucard's wife ver.)

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     @kitsuneofinari @Natanox @silvereagle I don't know why you are so incredibly concerned about it being blocked by people you don't even care about in the first place. The only thing your words tell me is that blocklists ruin the fun you have from harming others.

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     Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:20 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     @Ari @kitsuneofinari @silvereagle I'll assume you weren't raging towards me right now. I'm not interested in some culture war, I'm just concerned about were TBS currently leads to. The rage of Black Mastodon surely is more than justified, but I'd like to ask *everyone* not to make this something personal.

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     🦊⛩️稲荷大神の狐⛩️🦊 (kitsuneofinari@packmates.org)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:23 JST 🦊⛩️稲荷大神の狐⛩️🦊

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     @Natanox @silvereagle the conquer is bullying and forcing smaller instances to be subjected to their will and their demands.

     That is the goal. Block those who do not comply, block those they have grudges against, and tell everyone else that if they do not want to be on thebad.space blocklist, they need to cow tow to what these bigger instances want.

     This is also to force users on the blocked instance to leave that instance for either the big instances that started the block list, or other instances that will comply with what the big instances want so users can still be in contact with their friends on those big instances.

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     Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 21:24:24 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     @kitsuneofinari @silvereagle I don't really see the "conquer" in what they do, only the divide.