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   Andrew (Television Executive) (ajroach42@retro.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:49:52 JST Andrew (Television Executive)

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   • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

   @djsundog and I are launching a project to build federated, open source, #bandcamp alternative.

   We're building this because we need it. We're doing it ourselves because it will become a part of the larger media production and distribution ecosystem we have planned.

   We welcome other open source projects, and we might even contribute to a few of them, but for the next several months, this is our full time gig.

   Long term vision: https://mountaintown.technology/

   Repo: https://code.communitymedia.network/sundog/aural_isle

   How and why: https://ajroach42.com/the-uncertain-future-of-bandcamp/

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     Andrew (Television Executive) (ajroach42@retro.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:49:53 JST Andrew (Television Executive)

     Songtradr fired half the staff at bandcamp, and that signals a dark future for bandcamp as a company.

     So we're going to do something about it:
     https://ajroach42.com/the-uncertain-future-of-bandcamp/

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     Andrew (Television Executive) (ajroach42@retro.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 17:23:49 JST Andrew (Television Executive)

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     If you're interested in helping, great! We are definitely looking for collaborators to work with us, and are currently holding discussions about the project in one of our matrix channels - reach out to me via DM if you'd like to get access.

     If you'd like to support us, also great! We'll be setting up an OpenCollective project shortly to ensure transparency and provide a way for us to pay contributors along the way.

     Prior to that, feel free to back my Patreon if you're insistent in getting financial support sent our way.

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     Andrew (Television Executive) (ajroach42@retro.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 22:20:56 JST Andrew (Television Executive)

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     • Georg

     @gcrkrause hey Georg, I'd love for our projects to be able to communicate, that's a big part of why we're approaching things the way we have.

     I'm just the devops/infra guy. You'll want to talk to sundog when it comes time to interop.

     We're aiming for a non-federated proof of concept build in the very short term, and to build federation in when thats done.

     Seems like getting together sometime after the initial release makes sense?

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     Georg (gcrkrause@lediver.se)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 22:20:58 JST Georg

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     @ajroach42 Hi, I am Maintainer at Funkwhale and considering the history with another project I want to ask you to collaborate with us in terms of the ActivityPub Vocabulary, so it will be interoperable. Would be sad to have another tool that's unable to speak with existing instances.

     Besides this, good luck and have fun!

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     Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 07:54:01 JST Seasons of Jason

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     • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab
     • Zero Click

     @zeroclick @ajroach42 @djsundog hey Zero, it means a lot that you thought of me and took the time to loop me in. Thanks.

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     Zero Click (zeroclick@freeradical.zone)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 07:54:06 JST Zero Click

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     • Seasons of Jason

     @ajroach42 @djsundog hey @killyourfm I saw you talking about this problem the other day, maybe this is the music solution you were looking for?

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     Andrew (Television Executive) (ajroach42@retro.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:09:54 JST Andrew (Television Executive)

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     • Georg

     @gcrkrause also, thank you for being kind. So many people have responded with some variation on "why bother" or have just assumed that we are already doing it wrong. It makes me sad to see.

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     fluffy 💜 (fluffy@plush.city)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:09:56 JST fluffy 💜

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     • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

     @ajroach42 @djsundog If you want an already-existing really nice (IMO) media encoding and tagging pipeline, you are more than welcome to make use of Bandcrash for that! https://github.com/fluffy-critter/bandcrash

     Right now the docs are all focused around the CLI, but I'm working on a standalone desktop GUI right now, and it's 100% ready to be used as the backend on an encoding server as well.

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     Miloš Jovanović (loshmi@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:10:00 JST Miloš Jovanović

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     • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab
     • Bandcamp United

     @ajroach42 @djsundog I love the idea, hope you’re in touch with @bandcampunited And cooperatively-owned is the way to go. Otherwise it seems like the same extractive model with extra steps. Best of luck! I’ll be following!

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     Andrew (Television Executive) (ajroach42@retro.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:10:01 JST Andrew (Television Executive)

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     • Miloš Jovanović

     @loshmi @djsundog when there's actually a flagship instance, it will probably be cooperatively managed.

     There's no real money involved yet. We'll figure out the specifics of our legal structure when there's money in play.

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     Miloš Jovanović (loshmi@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:10:02 JST Miloš Jovanović

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     • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

     @ajroach42 @djsundog will your main instance be a coop?

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     Andrew (Television Executive) (ajroach42@retro.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:10:05 JST Andrew (Television Executive)

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     • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab
     • Bandcamp United
     • Miloš Jovanović

     @loshmi @djsundog @bandcampunited

     There are plenty of unethical ways to run a co-op and plenty of ethical ways to run something without cooperative ownership.

     It's likely that I won't be involved in the ownership or operation of any big instances. I'd prefer to see lots of small ones, it works better that way.

     But sure, if there has to be a big instance, it'd be better if it was operated fairly and transparently.

     I have been in touch with some current and former bandcamp employees, but I haven't reached out to the union yet, as I figured they had enough on their plates already.

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     Bam (bam@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:10:07 JST Bam

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     • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

     @ajroach42 @djsundog Is this so no one ever has to say, “There was this one time, at bandcamp…”

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     Andrew (Television Executive) (ajroach42@retro.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:10:08 JST Andrew (Television Executive)

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     • Prince Lucija (DRAGX̶FUNK)

     @luka @djsundog I think we'll probably be able to avoid getting fossbro-y. They tend to drop off when you start tossing around phrases like "public good" and "equitable" and the idea of building an equitable platform to support the public good is pretty close to the heart of what we're doing.

     We got, honestly, way more attention than I expected, way sooner than I expected it.

     Today or tomorrow, I'll add our code of conduct and the other governance documents that an open source project needs to demonstrate their values.

     I'm glad you're excited. I am too.

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     Prince Lucija (DRAGX̶FUNK) (luka@sonomu.club)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:10:09 JST Prince Lucija (DRAGX̶FUNK)

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     • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

     @ajroach42 @djsundog i must thank you for starting this! I've been thinking dreaming pushing for this idea since the sell of bc to Epic. I'm rooting for it and all. I very much hope you will manage to establish a healthy and open dev team/community that will not go down the classic flossbro road of misogyny and social insensitivity.

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     qwazix (qwazix@bananachips.club)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 23:10:11 JST qwazix

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     • DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

     @ajroach42 @djsundog it just happens I'm also recently out of a job. I need a bit of downtime but I this is something that I'd love to be involved with.

     Also I think, being based in .eu I might be a good vehicle through which we could apply for an ngi zero grant, to help bootstrap this.

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