Joby (chaotic good)
@fj @ajkandy @mekkaokereke @johnshirley2024 @carnage4life Yeah, I've been saying for years that Toyota specifically is going to drink Tesla's milkshake eventually. They fart Tesla's entire R&D budget, plus they have the advantage of already knowing how to make cars that are ... like watertight and stuff.
If they return to Scion form but electric Tesla's fucked.
I mean how many people just got 3s because they were the cheapest EV with name recognition and they wanted the "an car" EV?
mekka okereke :verified:
@SkipHuffman @sheean @joby @fj @ajkandy @johnshirley2024 @carnage4life
Teslas are ironically, less reliable than other cars, despite being EVs.🙂🙃
Consumer Reports had them next to last in terms of reliability in 2021, bottom 3 in 2022, and still low in 2023.
And a Tesla whistleblower alleges that it's even worse than that. Much worse.😬
Galbinus Caeli 🌯
@sheean @joby @fj @ajkandy @mekkaokereke @johnshirley2024 @carnage4life
A key point that's being neglected in this discussion of who the "customer" is. The customer for auto manufacturers in the US is car dealers, not drivers. And the most valuable resale products for car dealers is financing, followed by maintenance. So car dealers are incentivized to resell expensive cars that need lots of maintenance.
The exception to this is Tesla, which sells directly.
Sheean Spoel
@joby @fj @ajkandy @mekkaokereke @johnshirley2024 @carnage4life it’s a shame Honda didn’t rework the e to a cheaper or more useful version. Instead it’s canceled with a “people want SUVs” bull story without recognizing their own blatant mistakes. Meanwhile Nissan introduced the Sakura, a cheapish (15k) electric kei car in Japan and outsold ALL other EVs sold the previous year. In two months. If only kei cars could become a thing elsewhere…
Joby (chaotic good)
@fj @ajkandy @mekkaokereke @johnshirley2024 @carnage4life I also think Honda's one to watch. Like Toyota they're *already* operating at the scale Tesla fanboys fever dream of. They also have something interesting going on with their hybrids right now, where they're basically already just generator-driven EVs until highway speeds.
The hybrid Accord is already *this close* to being an EV. An EV that would do *numbers* if they sold it cheap.
Geraint
@mekkaokereke @SkipHuffman @sheean @joby @fj @ajkandy @johnshirley2024 @carnage4life Not ironic at all. Teslas are badly built cars made by a badly run tech company. Other EVs are built by car companies that know how to build and test cars, and don't beta test safety critical features with the general public on public roads.
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