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   Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:18:58 JST Charlie Stross

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   @rastilin @rzetelny @acb @DarthPutinKGB Berlin during WW2 wasn't under colonial occupation by the Allies. Your metaphor doesn't work. (And you're supposed to critically assess propaganda by *both* sides, not just throw rocks at one.)

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     rastilin (rastilin@aus.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:19:00 JST rastilin

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     @rzetelny @acb @DarthPutinKGB @cstross

     I keep thinking about the parallels between Gaza and Berlin in WW2. Hitler had less votes in his election than Hamas did in their last election and both of them had cancelled elections by that point.

     We didn't expect the Allies to drop leaflets, give people several days to evacuate and supply water and power to German civilians. Why is this different? I've seen people point to things as evidence where the only source is the "Hamas Press Office", why are we taking their word on things?

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     Rzetelny (rzetelny@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:19:05 JST Rzetelny

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     @rastilin @acb @DarthPutinKGB @cstross There would be nothing wrong with prosecuting Hamas and its members, there would be little wrong in neutralising all Hamas members if prosecution is not an option.

     As of now IDF appears to be more into turning Gaza into Grozny. This is obviously wrong, and will have negative impact on security of Israel.

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     rastilin (rastilin@aus.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:19:06 JST rastilin

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     @acb @DarthPutinKGB @cstross

     It does kind of seem like that. I'm not sure what kind of Israeli response would satisfy some people? Possibly the only one that would satisfy is if Israel simply does nothing and removes all the guards and just lets Hamas rampage.

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     acb (acb@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:19:07 JST acb

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     @DarthPutinKGB @cstross The key is Campism: Ukraine and Israel are both linked to Washington, whence all evil flows, so anyone who stands against them is by definition on the side of liberation. Especially if they’re blood-soaked tyrants, as “human rights” is a bourgeois value.

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     Darth Putin (darthputinkgb@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:19:09 JST Darth Putin

     Tankies: Palestinians must resist occupation even if lives are lost. Imperialism must be opposed.

     Also tankies: Ukraine should not resist occupation cos lives will be lost. Imperialism must be appeased.