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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:46:49 JST Sexy Moon
   I created some AI models of various racisms and then tried to convince them to not be racist.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:48:59 JST lainy

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     @Moon this kills the vice writer
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     Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:54:10 JST Aven

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     @Moon that actually sounds interesting. How did it work out?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:54:10 JST Sexy Moon

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     @aven mixed but I got some interesting results. It's definitely not reasoning like a person, just kind of saying what it thinks you expect. it's more for breaking down what the AI is really doing than exploring racism or its motivations/causes. I don't think you could use it to make a real-world point about it.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:54:28 JST Sexy Moon

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     @thendrix @aven who's that
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     Terry Hendrix II 🏹 (thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:54:32 JST Terry Hendrix II 🏹

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     A model trained on Derrick Bell alone would be dangerous.

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:56:13 JST lainy

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     @Moon @aven i wonder if a larger model would be better
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     Terry Hendrix II 🏹 (thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:57:44 JST Terry Hendrix II 🏹

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     A black guy that’s the father of CRT and neo-segregation.

     edit: Without him you wouldn’t have “ebony alerts” in CA now.

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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:57:53 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Moon modern day Dr Frankenstein
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 00:58:40 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lain @aven I need to learn how to turn digital books on topics into models.
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     Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 01:33:11 JST Aven

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     @a7 @Moon that's an interesting insight. I think there are definitely people who are genuinely racist as a matter of principle and genuine belief, but a lot of them are social chameleons that just "when in Rome" with agreeableness, and will be racist or not-racist depending on what is socially acceptable.
     
     It would make sense if agreeableness and outgroup-hate were correlated. Like they don't actually have an opinion, but just want to get along and be popular.
     
     Also, maybe more to your point, there are covert racists who just don't want to get into it if there's a high social cost to speaking their true opinion. I wonder whether that can be simulated with AI.
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     a7 (a7@miss.mouse.services)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 01:33:13 JST a7

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @aven@shitposter.club this is how people act irl, really racist people irl will feel you out to see if you are down with hating whatever group they hate and then if you don't signal you agree with it they will fold and start faking opinions that please you.

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     a7 (a7@miss.mouse.services)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 01:57:20 JST a7

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     @aven@shitposter.club @Moon@shitposter.club I think its just ya basic human social functioning. I would do it for years though in the opposite direction, if some one was signaling they disliked whatever group I would sometimes just play along with it then they would spill their entire beliefs onto me about how the jews are running the world, hitler was always right and the damn monkeys etc etc. I would also do it in the opposite direction, and ask people about the other people, what they thought their opinions on the subjects I got them to spill on were, there were people whose own wives legitimately had no clue their husband was a raging closet nazi that literally idealized hitler.
     
     I have done this with a lot of different subjects through out my life with various people just to see what horrible degenerate shit or insane belief they might hold. I've had truly degenerate fucks that want to kidnap people etc. I've had people go into the ghost that are haunting them and how they speak to "x or y". Just really anything you can do this with.
     
     I recommend it can be pretty fun, just sorta have to trick yourself into an idea that you genuinely agree, 'adopt a mindset'. But basically I would purposefully be an extreme social chameleon to see what sort of deep seated ideas I could get others to express by just being extremely agreeable and attempting to think like the other person.

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     guizzy (in exile) (guizzy@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 02:17:56 JST guizzy (in exile)

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     @Moon @lain @aven The discount way is trying to fit the book into the context (maybe using summarization or only opening a window into the relevant info with a vector database). The proper way is fine-tuning/LORAs/QLORAs.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 02:27:43 JST Sexy Moon

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     @guizzy @aven @lain yeah, gonna learn to make loras
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     guizzy (in exile) (guizzy@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 02:52:50 JST guizzy (in exile)

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     @Moon @aven @lain It looks pretty easy in Oobabooga https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui/blob/main/docs/Training-LoRAs.md
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