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   narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 03:00:18 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
   im love my brainworm that makes me love old windows visual style and color teal
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 03:20:19 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     • Ruru! 🦉
     @lonelyowl dunno about that, that's just kasane teto
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     Ruru! 🦉 (lonelyowl@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 03:20:20 JST Ruru! 🦉

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     This anime woman looks like an old 2ch.ru mascot 🤔
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 04:07:41 JST SuperDicq

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     @hj@shigusegubu.club Like damn do I hate proprietary software in general and everything Microsoft stands for, but I really can't shake my appreciation for the Win 9x aesthetics.
     
     Stuff you saw in childhood always stays with you I guess.

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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 04:32:18 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @SuperDicq eh, sorta yeah but also back in win95 everything was proprietary more or less, sure GNU was a thing in 80s and linux started life around 91 it didn't exactly catch on until much later, and even then it didn't exactly have GUI either and weren't oriented towards typical consumers. So back then it was like, what, a proprietary derivative of unix (HP-UX, NeXTSTEP), proprietary (classic) Mac OS, proprietary AmigaOS, BeOS or Windows. And with exception of very early amigaOS and macOS all of them look quite similar - gray/beige/brown/white/yellow background, relief effects to fake depth (white at top and left, black on bottom and right).
     
     It all really boiled down to limitations of EGA palette and resolution. Icons had to be colorful but descriptive while fitting within 16 color palette (later improved to 256 colors), As far as pixel art goes, it would be either flat, orthographic, oblique (cabient/cavalier) or isometric, something more specific (perpective 3D) would be hard to make (at the time) and would look quite bad (see Windows 95 plus "full color" icons)
     
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     tl;dr: all GUIs at the time looked more or less the same with slightly different takes on color selection and style of icons, but it all boiled down to limitations of hardware at the time.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 04:41:22 JST SuperDicq

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     @hj@shigusegubu.club Yeah sure GNU/Linux was a thing around the time, but the family computer ran Win 95 so that's what I used as I kid. I have pictures of 6 year old me playing Lego Island on that computer in my pajamas.
     
     I didn't really know about the existence of GNU/Linux until I was around 10 years old and I used GNU/Linux for the first time at my local hackerspace.
     
     The computers there were running Debian and one of the hackers there thought me some very basic programming in Python using Pygame. My time spent at this hackerspace at a young age basically made me who I am today I think.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 04:45:08 JST SuperDicq

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     @hj@shigusegubu.club The computers there were quite old, even for 2006 standards so they were running twm, which to me also quite a weirdly aesthetic window manager with goofy applications like xclock and xeyes and such.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 04:49:42 JST SuperDicq

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     @hj@shigusegubu.club Man I wish I still had the code of those small little things I made in Pygame from over 17 years ago, would be fun to look back on.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 04:56:46 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SuperDicq @hj TWM's not bad if you spend the time configuring it!
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 04:58:43 JST SuperDicq

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @hj@shigusegubu.club It's just VERY old. I think you're better of using dwm or something nowadays if you want a minimal WM.
     
     I'm still a desktop environment kinda guy so I just run KDE or XFCE on everything.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 05:00:37 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SuperDicq @hj yeah there is no good reason to run TWM unless you're on a very old or very resource-constrained machine.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 05:08:45 JST SuperDicq

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     @nach@bae.st @Moon@shitposter.club @hj@shigusegubu.club When I was a teenager with lots of free time I liked using WMs and doing all the ricing to set them up perfectly and stuff.
     
     Nowadays I just urge for desktop environments with sane default settings and quick configuration using GUIs.

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     Yamaha TMax 560 (nach@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 05:08:46 JST Yamaha TMax 560

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     @SuperDicq @Moon @hj >I'm still a desktop environment kinda guy
     
     same, tried so many WMs but there's always something that ends up annoying me so much that it sends me back to either gnome or xfce :shrug_akko:
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 05:13:05 JST SuperDicq

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     @nach@bae.st @Moon@shitposter.club @hj@shigusegubu.club I personally dislike modern Gnome because unlike KDE or XFCE it is very opinionated and its user experience reminds me of something Apple would make. "We know what's for you" instead of giving the user options.
     
     The fact that the "Dash to Dock" extension has over 7 MILLION downloads on extensions.gnome.org (which excludes everyone who installed this extension through their distro's package manager) while still not including and enabling this extension by default says everything you need to know about Gnome to me.

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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 05:28:10 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @SuperDicq @Moon @nach I made my KDE look like win95 somewhat but I could only use it for like a month like that.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 05:52:24 JST SuperDicq

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     @pro@mu.zaitcev.nu @Moon@shitposter.club @hj@shigusegubu.club The computers that I originally used twm on 15 years ago indeed had those old school three button mice without a scroll wheel. And yes it is pretty much required with a normal twm config.

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     Account: Computers (pro@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 05:52:26 JST Account: Computers

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     @Moon @SuperDicq @hj Back when I ran twm, it pretty much needed a 3-button mouse. The 2-button chord mostly replaced the middle button, but it was inconvenient. In addition, any sensible configuration could only be done with colors, which we would now condemn as ablism.
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 05:56:18 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @SuperDicq i had somewhat similar experience - maybe when i was 12 or 11 i visited my auntie who was living in some temporary apartment and she used a computer running red hat (fedora?) with KDE (2.x?) as a TV set with a tv tuner card.
     
     I was so quick on that shit with all the kde games and ricing they had to pry me away from it.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 06:05:20 JST SuperDicq

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     @hj@shigusegubu.club Oh that's pretty cool.
     
     I am really grateful that this random hacker just sat down with me for a few hours and just casually explained the very basics of programming (if, else, while and for) as a 10 year old. I'll never forget that day.

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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 06:13:09 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @SuperDicq on the contrary i did most of my programming back in the day on QBASIC, some basic for some shitty soviet clone of oi me speccy, and Delphi 7.
     
     Also a bit of visual C# and then java professionally.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 06:20:36 JST SuperDicq

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     @pro@mu.zaitcev.nu @Moon@shitposter.club @hj@shigusegubu.club Yeah I know twm is much older, but it was around 2006 when I used it at that hackerspace.

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     Account: Computers (pro@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 06:20:37 JST Account: Computers

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     @SuperDicq @Moon @hj Was it only 15 years ago for you? I used twm some time around 1992, which was more than 30 years ago. The fvwm arrived in late 1990s some time.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 06:21:07 JST SuperDicq

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     @pro@mu.zaitcev.nu @Moon@shitposter.club @hj@shigusegubu.club The computers there were old even for its time, they were donated from a local school.