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   Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw37a2@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2023 06:15:31 JST Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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   @djsumdog Be sure to tag me when you post it. I am interested.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2023 06:15:32 JST djsumdog

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     I might just be the Islamics you are exposed to then. I thought some of my family’s views on Pakistanis was a little over the top until I was invited to someone’s Friendsgiving in Chicago. Every year it was the same: all of his Pakistani friends would shun the 2~3 Indians he would invite. 30+ of them, all young (under 30) refused to talk to us .. year after year. One Indian girl even started bringing her own family/friends and left right after eating 😅

     As far as what I believe, I was a born again Christian from 1996 until ~2002, I started heading down the Atheism (what’s now known as New Atheism) route around 2012~2014, and now my views are fairly complex and not easily discernible. I’m working on a religion post, which will likely go into he Philosophy section of my website:

     https://battlepenguin.com/philosophy/

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     @djsumdog I can't really argue with your family's experiences, man, other than to say I'm sorry to hear that and that's not what I know from Islamic morals.
     Are you in fact, Hindu? What is your belief?

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     Well, if you accept her suggestion that Shariah borrowed from Roman law then you should accept mine that European law borrowed from Shari'ah because she didn't bring any proof either.

     Sorry about your grandparents, that sucks. Most non-Muslims in Muslim countries were allowed to keep their beliefs, traditions, and live by their own laws for centuries. We have to resist looking at things through the lens of personal vendettas if we're being fair. I gotta go, peace ✌️

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     Well, if you accept her suggestion that Shariah borrowed from Roman law then you should accept mine that European law borrowed from Shari’ah

     If both say the same things in certain texts. and one of the two is older, the older one came first. Did the Romans invent time travel and bring Shari’ah back?

     Most non-Muslims in Muslim countries were allowed to keep their beliefs

     Well in Pakistan, most of the Hindus had to flee or risk being killed. My father’s family left everything they owned (their entire business, their home, and nearly everything they ad), as did many of their friends. They fled on foot, because the Muslims were murdering all the Hindus on the trains if they resisted being robbed. The blood was being washed out of cars in the train yards. “The Partition” is a really a bullshit euphemism for that era. My father always called it what it was: the Civil War.

     Maybe you’re right and there are Muslim countries where non-Muslims were allowed to keep their faith without consequence. That was not the case between Pakistan/India/Bangladesh. My family lost everything to Muslims they thought they had known their entire lives.

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     Why are her arguments dumb? I think they make a lot of sense. I’ve looked up some of what she’s said and I think it’s valid. Many of the functional parts of Shari’ah do seem to be borrowed directly from Roman law.

     her argument is that Muslim countries are poor?

     That’s not her argument at all. Most Muslim countries rely heavily on their oil wealth and import a lot of immigrants to work jobs in their welfare states. I think her argument is that the nations are successful due to their resources and not their legal systems (you still haven’t addressed Marte Deborah Dalelv, the Norwegian girl who was arrested in Dubai for reporting her rape)

     is conquering and converting people by force. This has been refuted so many times I won’t even bother.

     But .. it has. Christianity has done this too. There are religions that don’t depend on expansionism (Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism) or civilizations that expanded without the excuse of their religion (Roman/Greek paganism) … but Islam and Christianity both have expanded by force.

     My grandmother had to leave what’s now Pakistan because the locals threatened to kill her and my grandfather if they didn’t eat beef to proove they were willing to convert form Hinduism to Islam.

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     @djsumdog This woman's comments on Shari'ah are the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
     Uh, her argument is that Muslim countries are poor? Has she ever been outside her little town? Muslim countries are some of the wealthiest places on planet Earth.
     Then she says Islam's "usual thing" is conquering and converting people by force. This has been refuted so many times I won't even bother.
     And she says Shariah is copied from Roman law, LOL to that, not even gonna bother

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     @djsumdog
     A lot of the aspects of civilization and rule of law we have come to associate with Christianity were actually brought to Europe by the Muslims.
     Ideas like the citizens' right to privacy, "reasonable doubt" standard, chain of custody for evidence, wartime ethics, any many more, all originated in the Muslim shari'ah system of law. When it comes the areas of governance and war, Christianity has never influenced Christians' behavior except as an empty slogan to judge others by.

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     Ideas like the citizens’ right to privacy, “reasonable doubt” standard, chain of custody for evidence, wartime ethics, any many more, all originated in the Muslim shari’ah system of law.

     Do you have any references for any of that? Shari’ah is the most corrupt and non-functional legal system in existence. It’s horrifically inconsistent. Most of what you said came from either the Magna Carta or English Common Law.

     Here is Helen Dale, an international legal scholar who studies in Edinburgh. Skip to 27:31 to hear her specifically address Shari’ah laws, but you can skip to the beginning of that segment to hear her also address the origins of Roman Civil and English Common Law

     https://youtu.be/QEi96bnixCA?si=-xxvyAoOuHf_TCXI&t=1651

     The Shari’ah system is what lead the UAE to locking up a Norwegian woman for reporting her boss raped her in Dubai (she was jailed for having sex outside marriage).

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     It's caused a lot for sure, but there is no one "Christianity" ... It's like trying to say the France of the 1700 is the same as France today. They're the same in name, but have very different governments.
     
     The point of the article is that Christianity provided some morals and ideology that led to current western civilization. All British Common law nations (including the US) are based entirely in Christian moral ideology. (as opposed to Roman Civil Law based legal systems like Italy, France, et. al.).
     
     All things come with tradeoffs. I don't believe in Jesus and the saints and all the profits, but I think it's foolish to dismiss the massive impact Christianity has had when it comes to the idea that all human beings have inherit value because we are created in the image of a creator.
     
     I think the new atheism of the 2010s has surely failed everyone, and has bread the modern alt-left ideologies.