SirTapTap
Every Internet Child Protection bill:
1:"New child safety bill!!"
2: "Wow great! What's in it?"
1: "Well, you have to give your social security number, a picture of the weakest part of your skull, and your home address to Hammers The Clown. You also have to download COVID 19 into your eyeball once per month."
2:"What that sounds terrible what does that have to do with--"
1:"Wow. Ok. HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY HATES CHILDREN!!!!!!!"
LisPi
@TCatInReality @SirTapTap But the vast majority of those "protect the children" laws? Those aren't it.
Those are false flags being used to ward off criticism at entirely intentional side-effects (and indeed primary intended effects) of those laws.
Most of them, if you ask any expert or professional working with children, healthcare & child welfare are counterproductive.
In many cases what would demonstrably help a lot more children is to fund those organizations adequately.
LisPi
@TCatInReality @SirTapTap I wouldn't conflate the UK with the EU, the UK has a much worse laws on personal freedom and privacy (and France isn't much better, they sure do love their authoritarianism).
There are a number of countries in the EU that techbros largely avoid because it's a lot harder to get up to their usual bullshit than in others.
As for the laws regulating social media, depending on which ones, they can in fact be healthy. It isn't all or nothing.
TC Won't Give In To Lies
@lispi314 @SirTapTap
I certainly won't argue with the need for better labor rights, gun control, data privacy, visas, etc. And yes, those would help weaken bad actors.
But I disagree that any country has successfully reigned in social harms or bad acting techbros much less from privacy alone. In fact, the EU and UK are actively deploying their own laws to regulate social media. So, I don't think the facts support your argument.
LisPi
@TCatInReality @SirTapTap That's a false dichotomy.
Nations with stronger privacy laws (which incidentally would rein in those techbros, along with more labor laws, antitrust and get rid of the slave visas) have no such problems as those which you enumerated that are uniquely American.
One can infer from that alone that more surveillance isn't the fix.
And surveillance isn't a risk, it's a guarantee with a law to back it. Those laws' "unintended side-effects" are fully intended.
TC Won't Give In To Lies
@lispi314 @SirTapTap
It is a risk, but yes, I can *honestly* claim that.
But more importantly, can you honestly say the unregulated techbros are not *already* destroying our privacy and freedom?
Forget kids, look at the election manipulation, the COVID lies, the cultural wars, the radicalized shooters and all the data breaches. That's why I'll accept some risk in order to reduce actual, current harms.
TC Won't Give In To Lies
@SirTapTap
Strawman all the time, or just about laws you don't like?
LisPi
@TCatInReality @SirTapTap It's pretty obviously hyperbole for humorous effect.
That being said, you cannot *honestly* claim that those bills aren't almost always being used as part of the #FourHorsemenOfTheInfocalypse to ram in a bunch of privacy & freedom destroying laws and regulations that have no actual positive effect on child safety (and in fact usually make the situation worse for them too).
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