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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 20:59:09 JST Sexy Moon
   even people I know that are pro-union and pro-worker are sad about the end of the writers strike because they hate the crap hollywood is putting out.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:02:59 JST lainy

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     @Moon i wonder if we'll see changes in the future, people seem to enjoy south korean shows more than whatever hollywood is putting out. It doesn't seem like they'll be able to compete. And all those late night funny men, do people really care about them much anymore? I can see funnier stuff on youtube any day.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:07:42 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lain hollywood can't fix itself because it's an incestuous monoculture, it would have to abolish itself to change. So I see the future being companies like Netflix just importing good shows from other countries.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:09:53 JST lainy

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     @Moon apparently more and more comedy youtube channels are now working together to make 'proper' shows, most of them don't seem to be very good but they'll probably only get better, and they are made outside of the existing systems.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:11:13 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lain People keep acting like the Hollywood hate is diversity hate but like, I will happily watch a 10/10 movie from Latin America or Korea lol. Something the Red Letter Media guys say when they like a movie is "this feels like an actual movie." You can just see a real decline in the "artistic" qualities of Hollywood movies while the production quality is extremely high.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:15:50 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lain There was a ton of good YouTube content years ago because they were paying small content creators enough that they could live off making youtube content but then they adjusted how they did payouts and killed it for everybody that wasn't big enough to require a management agency and that is why now a lot of youtube content feels "same-ey". There is a lot of consolidation behind the scenes. To survive yeah these channels are going to have to join forces.
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:16:22 JST H. Faust

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     @Moon @lain Scorsese just said something related to that recently:
     
     "“No, I don’t want to say it. But what I mean is that, it’s manufactured content. It’s almost like AI making a film. And that doesn’t mean that you don’t have incredible directors and special effects people doing beautiful artwork. But what does it mean? What do these films, what will it give you? Aside from a kind of consummation of something and then eliminating it from your mind, your whole body, you know? So what is it giving you?”"
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:16:29 JST H. Faust

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     @Moon @lain Worth reading btw https://www.gq.com/story/martin-scorsese-profile
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:17:37 JST Sexy Moon

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     @cell @lain the problem is that these companies are parasitic and they cause a lowering of creative quality.
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     「セル」cell (سل) (cell@pl.ebin.zone)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:17:38 JST 「セル」cell (سل)

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     @Moon @lain >To survive yeah these channels are going to have to join forces.
     the convolution of the original YouTube Partner system in the late 2000s led to Machinima forming, right?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:22:54 JST Sexy Moon

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     @cell @lain and I don't mean to imply there's not good stuff on YouTube anymore, but they had something really great happening there with "micro-creators" and they killed it for a very marginal profit gain.
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     ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:22:58 JST ランファン

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     @Moon

     I hate diversity because it’s forced. Not because it’s diverse.

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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:23:59 JST H. Faust

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     His last sentence is just a classier version of this
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     ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:25:00 JST ☻

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     @Moon White collar unions tend to be a different beast than blue collar ones. I can get why writers would strike over the AI question, but most of them are more interested in playing HR scold with one another and lowering content standards. Deadspin unionizing because their new bosses wouldn't let them churn out woke thonkpieces and Vice-tier "best beer bottles to put up your ass" garbage on their sports website is more typical for how they operate. Seeing the out and out communist iconography on a WGA postcard was weird to me. You'd never see anything like that from the UAW or any of the postal unions.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:25:59 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mrsaturday if you are fighting for residuals you are not really in the "worker" class that Marx envisioned I think but I admit I don't have sophisticated thought on this.
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     ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 21:32:02 JST ☻

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     @Moon I don't know if he addressed the concept of petite bourgeoisie unionizing so they could dick around on the job even more than they already do, but if he did I can't imagine he would be very complementary.
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     Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 22:13:18 JST Aven

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     @Moon @lain
     >You can just see a real decline in the "artistic" qualities of Hollywood movies while the production quality is extremely high.
     Same situation as AAA games. Graphics of high technical quality, or movie production quality, is something you can throw money at. It's more like a commodity, and can often even be outsourced. It gets great ROI.
     
     But you can't do the same with with story, or in video games, gameplay that's fun. The amount of money you put in doesn't correlate well with the quality. It's artistic and novel, and it matters what is chosen, and what is chosen is core to your business. Like if you're not choosing it, you're not a developer, you're a publisher. Or for movies, you're not hollywood, you're wall street.
     
     So AAA Devs and Hollywood suck at the artistic but are good at the technical (production quality / graphics). But there's two fatal problems with this:
     
     1) A way oversimplified formula: Sales = Artistic * Technical
     means that shit story and gameplay eventually turn to shit sales no matter how good the graphics are.
     
     2) If money can be turned into Technical, that means that all an indie studio with good artistic needs to out-compete AAA in every way is investment money.
     
     In long run, this means AAA and Hollywood had ONE JOB: Artistic, which they fumbled for incest and ideology. The investment money will find its way elsewhere, to somewhere with Artistic. It just takes time.
     
     (and investment firms that also do their ONE JOB: ROI. Hollywood is running on woke investment of pension fund managers who are pissing away other people's retirement accounts for ideology)
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 00:01:04 JST lainy

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     @Moon i think that patreon and similar systems are becoming more popular. I block ads in my browsers (duh) so I tend to join the patreon of every channel i actually watch somewhat regularly.
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     Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 02:05:41 JST Aven

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     @Moon @cell @lain it's not about the profit gain. YouTube would make far more money if they didn't inexplicably bow to the dinosaurs it was out-competing.
     
     Pushing "priority creators" that people don't like isn't profitable.
     Censoring non-cable-channel media isn't profitable.
     Removing the dislike count isn't profitable, or good for "fighting misinformation".
     Ignoring their customers isn't profitable.
     Reduced relevance of search isn't profitable.
     
     It's not about profit, they don't care about profit anymore. They're onto bigger more megalomaniacal things.
     
     It's about being in the good graces of power, and manipulating the public, for the "greater good". It's about being a "moral" corporation, which knows better than the customer, and must "determine outcomes" for the customer, for the "greater good".
     
     Micro-creators are too much like a free market, and cannot be prevented from spreading naughty ideas. Similar to small business, they're not compatible with control.
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     mister monster (mistermonster@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 05:11:38 JST mister monster

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     @Moon @lain unfortunately the cult requires offerings in the form of professed fealty to orthodoxy, so companies like Netflix are going to demand that those foreign shows be pozzed to get access to their markets. They'll destroy everything slowly as they die.
     
     Just look at that hyped Korean space movie recently on Netflix. 0% substance, 50% expensive CGI, 40% propaganda. Licensing foreign media will not solve the cultural problem in Hollywood, it will only rot away anything that touches it, including Korean cinema.
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