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   Dan Hon (danhon@dan.mastohon.com)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 16:13:40 JST Dan Hon

   OH: you designers were so busy asking “how might we?” that you didn't stop to ask “what gives us the right?”

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 16:13:38 JST Strypey

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     > design as an industry needs to come up with an ethical standard to be accountable to

     Here's an early attempt to sketch that out by @laura and @aral;

     https://ind.ie/ethical-design/

     ... and a later spin on the same ideas;

     https://small-tech.org/about/#small-technology

     @danhon

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     Stephen Collins (trib@aus.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 16:13:39 JST Stephen Collins

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     @danhon that's a goddamn legit question and one of the reasons why design as an industry needs to come up with an ethical standard to be accountable to. Naturally, this leads to all those accreditation and professional standards wars - who accredits, how, why, what counts as accreditable, who enforces the standards, etc. I used to disagree with accreditation, but increasingly, I'm for it (though I don't have an answer to all the questions by any means).

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 16:32:14 JST Aral Balkan

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     @jwcph @strypey @trib @laura @danhon Mike’s a good egg 💕

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     JW prince of CPH (jwcph@norrebro.space)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 16:32:26 JST JW prince of CPH

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     @strypey @trib @laura @aral @danhon Sorely needed indeed - as very eloquently pointed out by Mike Monteiro in his talk "How Designers Destroyed The World" 👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg15fVFnXFk

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 16:34:44 JST Aral Balkan

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     @DetersHenning @strypey @trib @laura @danhon

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     Henning Deters (detershenning@eupolicy.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 16:34:46 JST Henning Deters

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     @strypey @trib @laura @aral @danhon
     And by ethical standards you mean binding regulation, splitting up, and expropriation, right? Right?
     (I take it we're talking about surveillance and "AI" outfits.)