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   Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 20:59:14 JST Drew DeVault

   • jacksonchen666 :dado_verified: :clock: :antiverified:

   @jacksonchen666 Hi! My name is Drew. I learned sign language back in high school. I think that it's important to consider the needs of all people. Deaf, trans -- all people. Thank you.

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     Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 22:41:49 JST Drew DeVault

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     @aerique @Mehrad @jacksonchen666 honestly this is a take which I am really uncomfortable with. It's exercising a kind of hearing privilege: it'd be more convenient to you, as a hearing person, if you could just learn one sign language and be done with it. But sign language doesn't exist for your sake, it was not designed for hearing people's convenience -- in fact, it was not designed at all. It grew organically, like all other languages, by and for the Deaf.

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     aerique (aerique@genart.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 22:41:50 JST aerique

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     • jacksonchen666 :dado_verified: :clock: :antiverified:

     @Mehrad @drewdevault @jacksonchen666 Same for me. After reading up on the history of sign language it is understandable but it /is/ a pity.

     Funny thing, there's signs for a word in one language that are offensive in another culture.

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     Mehrad :kde: :emacs: :rstats: (mehrad@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 22:41:52 JST Mehrad :kde: :emacs: :rstats:

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     @drewdevault
     Is this ASL or International Sign?

     Some years back I was motivated to learn sign language, but then after some onlines searching I realized eben the British and American versions are different, let alone sign language for other languages!

     I know there is IS which is aiming to somewhat bridge the gap, but I don't know how comprehensible it is to people who only know [A-Z]SLs.

     P.s: even Esperanto has it's own sign language.

     @jacksonchen666

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     • aerique

     @aerique @Mehrad @jacksonchen666 "I wanted to learn Russian but when I learned Ukrainian was a different language, I just gave up. It'd be much better if they were the same."

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     Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 23:53:50 JST Drew DeVault

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     @Mehrad @aerique @jacksonchen666 nothing is wrong with not having the time to learn a niche language. But there is something wrong with implying that the language is at fault for being niche or non-standardized, and this argument is only ever applied to sign languages and not any other natural language. For a hearing person to impose this goal on them for their own convenience, erasing centuries of Deaf culture... is not right.

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     • aerique

     @drewdevault
     To be totally honest, it does not matter how uncomfortable others get. It is all about usefulness **or** enthusiasm.

     I live in Finland where only 5.3 million people live. From pragmatic perspective, it would not be useful to learn Finnish if I'm going to move out to live my life elsewhere. Now add Finnish sign. It's not like English or C. Learning anything means time investment, and for the learner it should be justified through usefulness or enthusiasm.

     @aerique @jacksonchen666