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   katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕) (katka@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:15:52 JST katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕)
   This post super rubs me the wrong way like I guess if you're a gamedev and you make less than $200k a year you just don't matter I guess?
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:15:49 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @ocean @katka I wouldn't say they're doomed, after all competing engines are much worse business model wise.
     But they're going to do downhill from where they were by underestimating how great it can be to have students already using your product and so pushing adoption in corporations.
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     oshy (ocean@raru.re)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:15:51 JST oshy

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     @katka Unity is so doomed lol

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:22:19 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @katka @ocean Look at game schools though, I don't think unity is going to be kept in the vast majority of them and I think quite a lot of game companies would rather avoid having to train students on new engines.
     It's going to be a slow burn of what they had over their competitors.
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     katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕) (katka@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:22:20 JST katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕)

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     @lanodan @ocean people just discount it because they only look at it through the lens of their favorite game studio
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     katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕) (katka@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:22:21 JST katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕)

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     @lanodan @ocean the 90% figure is totally right, this wouldn't stop me from using unity because I do not see a realistic scenario where the fee would ever apply to me
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     joshie 🏳️‍🌈 (6a62@raru.re)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:28:13 JST joshie 🏳️‍🌈

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     @katka @lanodan @ocean eh, I’d say it’s more about trust than the costs for the big studios

     sure, most of those *can* afford it, but why the fuck would you want to build your company and livelihood on unity engine games when they’re willing to pull shit like this?

     at least with unreal engine each specific version is immutable. got a license and agreed to the EULA for UE4.17 or whatever? the terms for that version will never change, you can just use it forever

     meanwhile every dev who had a unity game in production is completely fucked in comparison

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     katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕) (katka@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:28:14 JST katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕)

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     @lanodan @ocean also the fees are much better for the higher plans so I guess more than anything this is a motivation for studios to upgrade to higher tiers
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     oshy (ocean@raru.re)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:29:07 JST oshy

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     @6a62 @katka @lanodan Yep and who knows what kind of stunts they'll pull in the future when their userbase is smaller because of their previous stunts

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:50:33 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • joshie 🏳️‍🌈
     @6a62 @katka @ocean I'm saying worse because 20¢ per install is seems much less for most games than for example the 5% of sales of say CryEngine (with a threshold of putting things free under 5K).
     5% of 10 bucks being 0.50
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     joshie 🏳️‍🌈 (6a62@raru.re)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:50:35 JST joshie 🏳️‍🌈

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     @katka @lanodan @ocean uhh i was more so commenting on lanodan’s post about other engines being worse

     i just hit reply on the wrong post lol 😅

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     katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕) (katka@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 17:50:37 JST katka :: Maybe (Katka ?☕☕☕)

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     @6a62 @lanodan @ocean I'm not really defending it I'm just upsetti that people are spreading misinfo and rumors and not using their brains
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 18:02:28 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • joshie 🏳️‍🌈
     @6a62 @katka @ocean Right, my bad. Unity seems much worse, specially as I guess even for corporate clients they're not going to tell how they count that bullshit, which business wise just doesn't works.
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     joshie 🏳️‍🌈 (6a62@raru.re)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 18:02:30 JST joshie 🏳️‍🌈

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     @lanodan @katka @ocean not to mention what happens if you have a free to play game?

     what if you give your game away on steam or w/e and 100k people download it out of the blue?

     what happens if pirated copies still get registered as installs by unitys telemetry bullshit?

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     joshie 🏳️‍🌈 (6a62@raru.re)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 18:02:32 JST joshie 🏳️‍🌈

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     @lanodan @katka @ocean i believe unity is backtracking on some of their bullshit, but worth pointing out they were proposing 20cents *per install*

     customer puts it on their desktop and their steam deck? that just doubled. let their friend access through family share and they also installed it? whoops now it’s up to 60cents etc etc.

     and sales are easy for engine folks to track at least. installs? not so much. the whole thing raises so much uncertainty. I reckon 90% of corps would rather pay a little more for that certainty of “i know exactly how much of a cut my engine provider is taking” at the end of the day

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 18:11:15 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • joshie 🏳️‍🌈
     @ocean @6a62 @katka Makes me wonder how much they make from sponsors included in games though, specially given how much time people pass in them.
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     oshy (ocean@raru.re)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 18:11:17 JST oshy

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     @6a62 @lanodan @katka A ton of Unity games are also mobile games where you install for free and then pay inside the app later

     Tons of people download those and then never pay, the devs are just on the hook for that

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     joshie 🏳️‍🌈 (6a62@raru.re)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 18:18:52 JST joshie 🏳️‍🌈

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     @lanodan @katka @ocean fractions of a cent usually

     for successful mobile games the number i’ve heard is that it averages out to around 60cents per user (between ads and micro transactions). so if unity is taking a 20cent cut, suddenly that’s 33% gone huh

     so yeah, I doubt mobile game devs are too happy either

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