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   The Galactic Shitpost Outpost (cosmictrigger@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 00:24:28 JST The Galactic Shitpost Outpost

   Conservatives and liberals to leftists: "Why do you call everyone you disagree with a Nazi?"

   Leftists: "If the shoe fits . . . "

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 00:24:28 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     @CosmicTrigger I think I would change that a little and say that what we call evil is most typically the absence of *compassion*, not empathy.

     Empathy asks the question "how would I feel in that situation?" Empathy is the underlying logic of the Golden Rule, to treat others how YOU would want to be treated. And that's all well and good but that means the empathy is ultimately still self-centered and a bit solipsistic: it leaves no room for people whose desires and values and even modes of props the same information and thinking are completely and utterly different from you, who truly want different things than you want, and truly feel different in some situation then you would feel. I think overactive and controlling empathy is actually what produces a lot of the "we have to see the trends from mutilating their bodies" stuff, for instance: the average man can't imagine wanting to get vaginoplasty and so when they try to have empathy for a trans woman it doesn't work.

     Moreover, empathy leads to pity and pity leads to hierarchies of domination through charity and infantilization.

     Furthermore, empathy is a fickle emotion — and one that not all people are capable of. And I think it is incredibly ableist and pathologizing to insist that all sociopaths must inherently be evil since they can't experience empathy. That's simply not true in my experience.

     Meanwhile compassionate is the Act of choosing to care about someone else's *actual* emotions. It is less and emotion than a character trait and habit that can be built up through practice and genuine desire, and it does not suffer from the failure modes of empathy.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 03:00:24 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     • SocialistStan

     @SocialistStan @CosmicTrigger if it isn't I would still just say then that empathy contains within it the seeds of its own self destruction

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     SocialistStan (socialiststan@mymastadon.link)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 03:00:25 JST SocialistStan

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     • novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

     @anarchopunk_girl @CosmicTrigger Is that really empathy then if you know the person would feel badly being infantilized?

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     The Galactic Shitpost Outpost (cosmictrigger@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:45:49 JST The Galactic Shitpost Outpost

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     • novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

     @anarchopunk_girl

     The simplest definition of empathy, from the dictionary, is:

     "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another."

     Nazis absolutely do not have this trait whatsoever.

     I think you over-complicated what it means to have empathy because if you go by the simplest definition of empathy, to have empathy MEANS to have compassion.