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Shadowman311Pope Francis's tenure as Pope has consequently caused both the largely progressive German church to threaten a schism over his conservative approach to gay marriage (if a bishop or priest officiates a gay marriage they will be immediately defrocked) while simultaneously causing the threat of a schism among parts of the US Catholic Church over his progressive policies of basically trying to eliminate every word of Latin from the masses and cracking down on every other remotely conservative aspect left within the church. Basically he's that meme of the dude agonizing over which of two buttons to push, only he's pressing both buttons and wondering why nothing is working as expected.
His problem, as far as I'm concerned is not that he's too progressive or whatever, its that he can't seem to make up his mind on which stance to take on any given matter.
@Shadowman311 Pope Francis has a weird issue with optics. I swear he uses the controversy his cherry picked quotations generate as PR to get people interested in the church. The militant leity are quick to :Ackshually: in defense of real church doctrine, but I guarantee he's accidentally (or purposefully?) helped lead several people to salvation through the media quotemining him.
@sapphire@skylar@Shadowman311 ITS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF HE'S JUST A DUDE THEN THERE'S NO BODILY RESURRECTION
PLENTY OF DUDES HAVE DIED FOR THE FAITH A COUPLE WERE EVEN RAISED LIKE LAZARUS LAZARUS LIVED FOR LIKE TWELVE YEARS OR SOMETHING AFTER JESUS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, AND THEN HE DIED
DEATH ONLY DIES IF GOD GOES TO THE TOMB AND KILLS IT IN ITS HOME AND IF THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THEN THERE IS NO FAITH, ONLY PHILOSOPHY
@skylar@Shadowman311@nugger this is even more autistic, it’s whether Jesus was literally God and the Holy Spirit or just carried them within Him or whether they’re all separate
@sapphire@Shadowman311@nugger we will have 27 world wars over whether the bread and wine literally or metaphorically become the body and blood of Christ
@sapphire@Shadowman311 SAINTS CYRIL AND METHODIUS WANTED VERNACULAR TOO AND THEY'RE SAINTS
OUR ARGENTINIAN PAL PROBABLY HAS VERY LITTLE AGENCY OF HIS OWN AND IS SIMPLY TRYING TO SURVIVE VATICAN POLITICS WITH THE FLEXIBILITY THAT A CARTILAGE SPINE AFFORDS
@sapphire@Shadowman311@nugger@skylar Is religion real? Or is it just a cultural touchstone? Does truth matter at all? If not you should just change the region to address or fit in with the social climate of the time. It's just an ideology used to control the masses through tradition and culture. But if truth does matter than any changes to doctrine MUST be fully considered before implementation, lest you stray from truth and legitimize your religion. If your religion is true must shape society to fit your religion or move your religion and society away from truth. Truth is unchanging, it can only be clarified or obscured.
@sapphire@Shadowman311@skylar IN FACT THERE ARE THOSE THAT SAY BEING BASED IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TRUTH OUR GUYS WHO GOT ROPED INTO DOING ZOG'S BIDDING IN GLADIO SHOULD BE IMAGINED TO HAVE DIED WORTHY DEATHS
@sapphire@Shadowman311@skylar ILL TELL YOU EVEN MORE MORMON JESUS IS AN ANCIENT ALIEN, AS ARE ALL OF HUMANKIND AND ALSO GOD THIS LIFE IS SPACE ACADEMY AND WHEN YOU GRADUATE YOU GET TO BECOME A GOD AND RULE OVER A PLANET AS A GOVERNOR ALSO THERE IS NO GOD, GODS ARE JUST BIG DUDE SPACE ENGINEER ANCIENT ALIENS
@sapphire@Shadowman311@skylar SORRY, BUT EVEN IF YOU APPEND A "ALSO FUCK NIGGERS AND ALSO SNEED" AND AN ANIME GIRL TUMMIE PIC TO YOUR POST THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION WON'T CHANGE
TRUTH IS ONE, AND A IS NOT NOT-A TRUTH IS ONE BECAUSE CHRIST IS TRUTH AND HE IS ONE HE IS NOT SIMULTANEOUSLY THE WORD OF GOD AND ALSO MORMON JESUS AND ALSO THE HISTORY CHANNEL HISTORICAL JESUS WHO WAS A NICE GUY BUT DID NO MIRACLES BECAUSE MIRACLES AREN'T REAL
@AngryWraith@SKracket@ai@Shadowman311@TalmudTranslator@sapphire@skylar WELL THEY'RE NOT PLACES PLACES SPACE AND TIME IS A CONVENIENT ABSTRACTION MADE FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE WORLD LIKEWISE HELL AND SUCH BECAUSE ITS SOMEPLACE YOU GO TO AFTER YOU DIE HOW DOES THAT WORK, WITH YOUR LIFE SEPARATED FROM YOUR BODY AND SPIRITS DONT EXACTLY HAVE A MATERIAL DIMENSION TO THEM THERE'S NO REAL LIMIT TO HOW MANY ANGELS CAN DANCE ON THE POINT OF A NEEDLE BECAUSE THEY ARENT PHYSICAL IN THE FIRST PLACE AND POINTS OF NEEDLES ARE INFINITELY PHYSICALLY SMALL ONLY IN RETARDED ABSTRACTIONS, YOU'RE NEVER GETTING A PHYSICAL PLACE THAT SMALL THERES ATOMS AND SO FORTH
HELL IS A WAY TO EXPLAIN THE "EXPERIENCE OF BEING DEAD" TO SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED BEING DEAD AND HAS PRECIOUS LITTLE ANALOGIES TO IT
other than punching people, declaring them anathema, excommunicado, starting schisms, ending schisms, writing long polemics, yeah I'm definitely following in their footsteps
well then, i guess we've got ourselves a good ol fashioned biblical contradiction conundrum! shall we appeal to the pope, the theologians, the historians or ourselves?
@SKracket@ai@Shadowman311@TalmudTranslator@sapphire@skylar HEY ANYTHING CAN BE A CONTRADICTION IF YOU GO AROUND REINTERPRETING THINGS YOU GET A HUNDRED DIFFERENT GROUPS WHO INVENTED A DIFFERENT SPECIAL REINTERPRETATION FOR THEMSELVES AND LET THEM GO AT EACH OTHER -- BOOM, HEY PRESTO THE INTERNET FACILITATES IT TOO
@nugger@sapphire@Shadowman311@skylar No it isn't. People always confuse scientology with mormanism. You do get your own "planet" but that is used as more metaphor for what level of heaven you get into in mormanism. There is no alien shit in mormanism
@nugger@sapphire@Shadowman311@skylar It's not exactly a level of enlightenment or anything. Basically if you are a good person and know of the word of God, God makes you a special area of heaven which is perfectly tailored to you and your families wishes. You don't become like a wizard and have powers to shape it as you wish. If you are just a good person but did not follow the Mormon Bible or ignored it you just get standard heaven.
@SKracket@ai@Shadowman311@TalmudTranslator@sapphire@skylar BY THE WAY -- NOT A FAN OF THIS LINE OF THOUGHT OF STRIPPING HISTORICAL CONTEXT FROM STUFF IT IS WEASELY AND DISHONEST BECAUSE THINGS EXIST IN CONTEXT OLDER CATHOLIC APOLOGETICS WERE MORE INTELLECTUALLY RIGOROUS THIS WHOLE "YUP, WE AGREE, THERE WAS NO PAPAL SUPREMACY IN THE PAST, ITS A DEMONSTRABLE FACT, BUT WE STILL ARGUE FOR IT BECAUSE ITS THE CURRENT DOCTRINE" IS WIMPY AND ITS AN AFFRONT TO TRUTH ID RATHER THEM FALSIFY DOCUMENTS AND STUFF AND TRY TO PROVE PAPAL INFALLIBILITY IN THE SECOND CENTURY AND ONWARDS
AND THIS GOES FOR THIS WHOLE THREAD FROM THE POINT WHERE I BUTT IN REALLY LIKE, ID RATHER YOU BE ZEALOUSLY WRONG AND MISLED INSTEAD OF GOING "OOOOOHHH WELL DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHAT THE TRUTH IS" RELATIVIST WHICH IS WHY I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR GUYS LIKE @branman65 THAN I DO FOR REVEREND DOCTOR DAVID BENTLEY HART JR OR OTHER MODERN ACADEMIC THEOLOGIANS
@SKracket@ai@Shadowman311@TalmudTranslator@sapphire@skylar SORRY, SPLINTER SECTS ARE NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME DUE TO ORTHODOXY BEING EXAMPLE #1 OF CHURCHIANITY THE CHURCH IS A GUNDAM FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE REAL DOCTRINE IS WHAT THE CHURCH HAS RECEIVED AND PRACTICED
@SKracket@ai@Shadowman311@TalmudTranslator@sapphire@skylar HUMOROUSLY THE VATICAN AND ATHOS CAN BE KIND OF ANALOGIZED TO "LIVING DOCUMENT" AND "ORIGINALIST" SCHOOLS OF CONSTITUTIONAL THOUGHT A LOT OF MODERN CATHOLIC SCHOLARSHIP TAKES DOCTRINAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE ULTIMATE EXTREME OF COMPLETE DECONTEXTUALIZATION OF PAST DOCTRINE -- STUFF IS TRUE BECAUSE (AND IN THE SPECIFIC WAY THAT) JUSTIFICATION FOR IT EXISTS AT PRESENT CONVERSELY ORTHODOX THEOLOGY IS FROZEN IN AMBER BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE WHAT EVERYONE BELIEVED EVERYWHERE AT ALL TIMES TRADITION IS NOT JUST "WHAT WE USED TO DO" -- BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS INDWELT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TRADITION IS JUST THE RECORD OF HOLY SPIRIT'S INTERACTIONS WITH PEOPLE OF THE CHURCH DOCTRINAL DEVELOPMENT BY MEANS OF LIKE FLOROVSKY AND SUCH IS JUST APPLYING THE OLD STUFF TO MODERN CONDITIONS AND IS NOT AWFULLY INTERESTING
@nugger@skylar@Shadowman311@TalmudTranslator@jeffcliff@sapphire pro tip anytime someone links me a video to explain something, i'm not gonna watch it, i'm sorry that you've explained this to many other people using your own words and that you're tired of it, it's my first time being explained it by you.
@givenup@nugger@skylar@Shadowman311@TalmudTranslator@jeffcliff@sapphire Dude I'm right there with you. Videos for explanations are not what I want because I can read faster than the video, and I want to absorb the gondent actively without being subtly influenced by music, editing, or anything else designed to manipulate my emotional state. The exception is pure math or poorly made explanations of DIY projects shot on somebody's sail foam.
@mr64bit@Shadowman311@nugger@sapphire@skylar If this is at all related to their doctrine with putting Satan and Jesus on equal footing, it's worse than Arianism. Hell, it's worse than Islam at that point.