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   Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:12:15 JST Maholmire

   Something that always stuck with me after registering for a particular Matrix instance is how national socialism is outlined explicitly as not being allowed alongside conspiracy theories. While I do understand the context in relation to German Law where their services are located and therefore compelled to abide by.

   I don’t really think the vague mention of ‘national Socialism‘ really does the nuanced history behind it any justice. Wouldn’t it instead make sense for them to just ban all extreme ideologies or schools of thought whether they be fascist, communist, radical liberalism, or post-capitalistic in nature?

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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:12:13 JST grillchen

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     @Maholmire no tolerance to those who are intolerant and want to kill their enemies. fuck fascism and nazis. like 0 tolerance towards those. dont cc me again with those takes. i explained to u once i will not tolerate an idealogy which wants me dead.
     
     i will not argue with someone if he questions my whole existence.
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     Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:12:14 JST Maholmire

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:19 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Sooo who is going to stop ppl from expressing support for fascism? You?
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:21 JST grillchen

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     @Maholmire @sjw "People should be able to have an opinion and express it, no matter how backward those opinions might be. " if the opinion is fascism no. simple as. i dont wanna repeat myself. but if u send me a death threat i wont tolerate it. why should i tolerate fascism? it is practically the same.
     
     seriously im tired of repeating myself.
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     Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:22 JST Maholmire

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     There’s a difference between not allowing discussion or advocation of political extremism in public communities versus in society at large. People should be able to have an opinion and express it, no matter how backward those opinions might be.

     That said, public communities run by individuals often for free don’t have to tolerate those opinions and can manage their communities at their own discretion. Whether they do so equitably or become yet another echo chamber is their prerogative @sjw.

     Precisely, which is what radicalism is. I don’t really think that radicalism has any place in modern society, though people should still be free to hold and express those opinions all the same. That doesn’t mean they won’t have freedom of reach or freedom from consequence when people around them begin to disassociate from those holding said opinions. Anything short of criminal activity or organized and pre-meditated harassment is acceptable as far as I’m concerned @grillchen.

     It is worth stressing though that modern-day liberalism isn’t the same as classic liberalism or libertarianism. One is full of SJWs and screechers while the other wants to preserve the civil liberties of everyone. Limiting the control and authority of a government and ensuring everyone irrespective of their walk in life can have access to the same opportunity as anyone else.

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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:23 JST grillchen

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     @Maholmire i feel like i would repeat myself with the same arguments... communism, libertarianism, islam and christianism does not necessary lead to killing people. sure certain flavours might but not all of those things. fascists do. all kinds. there is no good one.
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     Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:24 JST Maholmire

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     Communism, Fascism, Late-stage capitalism, and radical liberalism all lead to oppressive environments and eventual death when the status quo isn’t followed. Hence they are “extreme ideologies“. There are Christian cults in New Zealand that exert traumatic abuse on those lured or otherwise born into the cult. Islamic Jihadi, when you militarize and take Islam to its absolute extreme is also known to produce oppressive environments where dissent often results in death.

     The only things you could really make that case for would be fundamental Christianity and late-stage capitalism, one because their belief does not naturally lend itself to violence and the other because it hasn’t been allowed to happen yet outside fictional narratives like Bio Shock.

     All extreme ideologies lend themselves to an environment that is in direct opposition with the best interests of a healthy and happy society and should be regarded as such accordingly.

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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:25 JST grillchen

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     @Maholmire and i strongly disagree because all those ideologies u mentioned do not inherently kill people. people in a communist regime might kill people. maybe they are more likely.
     
     fascism inherently leads to killing people. the whole ideology does.
     
     seriously stop glorifying it by pretending other shit is "as bad".
     
     there is a difference between people justifying horrendous things with an ideology and an ideology inherently leading to horrendous things.
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     Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:26 JST Maholmire

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     I’d say would’ve been a pretty fair comparison considering communism had Stalin’s purges and Mao’s three reforms that ruined an entire generation in China. A lot can be said about radical liberalism, but the key talking points are that they’re actively undermining our civil liberties by pushing laws under the false pretense of “equality“ while encumbering if not outright removing some of the provisions put in place to ensure there are checks and balances against government corruption.

     Though late stage of capitalism has only ever been theorized by philosophers and portrayed as having been a dystopian future in fictional media, not unlike the four cities described in the book of Revelations. I think you could probably agree with me that in a world where profit margins supersede human rights, the possibility of immense human suffering is enough to ensure that a concerted effort is made to stave that off for as long as possible is a pretty reasonable conclusion to draw.

     That’s to say nothing about fundamental Christianity ruining the lives and childhood of queer people and Jihadi Islamic movements engaging in criminal activity and terrorism. The world would be much better off if these extreme ideologies were regarded in the same breath as fascism and never allowed to set root once again. That’s how most people I would imagine feel about harmful ideologies that have adversely affected them to a profound degree as fascism has undoubtedly for you @grillchen. While I do believe that people have as much of a right to hold the beliefs they do, I don’t think that such backward ideologies have any place in modern society.

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     Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:28 JST Maholmire

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     Intolerance towards the intolerant only perpetuates a cycle of hate without end. Regardless, the question was never to discuss the merit of these ideologies but whether they should’ve just excluded all radical ideologies rather than specifying just the one with a term that probably wouldn’t make much sense to anyone other than a German or someone else experienced in history.

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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 00:39:28 JST grillchen

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     @Maholmire no because other idealogies dont want to kill people just because.
     
     there is a difference between: how should we distribute good and workforce, or how much power should the state have and excluding people from the right to live.
     
     nazism and fascism is an idealogy which wants me, my friends, my family all dead. why the fuck should i tolerate that shit?
     
     i dont give a fuck if nazis hate me. they need to die out. simple as. it is not like they have just a few prejudices or a little bit different or a different culture or whatever. they are assholes who want to play god, they want to decide who is worthy of living.
     
     even comparing you so called "all radical idealogies" and fascism is borderline criminal.
     
     being consequent or extreme in a world view and fascism is a huge difference.
     
     stop arguing for things which want to fucking kill me. like seriously what the fuck?
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     GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME, WHITOID ?‍? ? (cumskinfoidpuncher69420@beefyboys.win)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 01:19:52 JST GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME, WHITOID ?‍? ?

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     In Amerika erweckt man, wenn man sich so kleidet oder präsentiert, den Eindruck, man wolle eine Schule in die Luft jagen.
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     Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 01:19:52 JST Maholmire

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     Looks like an average Antifa goer to me. Though there is very little difference between the two.
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