dansup
I'm not against adding monetization features in @pixelfed, but only if they work for users and give them 100% of any profit/proceeds.
The easiest way for this is to allow and embrace external links to your own store/platform.
We don't need crypto or some other form of payment in exchange for impressions because we don't have ads, and we aren't in this for money.
A platform for the people, by the people, can thrive this way I think!
Daniel Hakimi
@dansup @pixelfed why shouldn't the people running the servers be able to monetize at all?
AlexanderMars
@dansup @pixelfed I definitely think admins should be able to easily monetise instances. I haven’t looked into hosting an instance in a while, but the last time I did I declined to do so because unfortunately I couldn’t see how it wouldn’t end up being an costly distraction.
dansup
@DanHakimi @raphael @richardc @pixelfed @brave Can you both just leave it at that? Move it to DMs, don't hijack my thread pls. Have a nice day and eat some fruit
Daniel Hakimi
@raphael @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave I'm judging you by your moral compass. You're failing by your own criteria, here.
Daniel Hakimi
@raphael @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave No, because ublock doesn't profit from ad blocking.
You said you wanted those websites to disappear, but you're lying. You want to keep using those websites without paying for them, *and* you want to brag about how you're giving your attention to some *other* for-profit ad company that tracks you *instead*.
Raphael Lullis
@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave
Please, stop assuming that you know me or you can judge me by your own moral compass.
You don't know me, don't know any of my work, don't know any of my values and you have no authority the morality of my actions.
If you continue with this, this conversation is over and you will be blocked.
Daniel Hakimi
@raphael @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave You don't have to visit ad-based sites. Something tells me you still do. You don't "want" to leech off them, but you sure don't mind doing it, do you?
Brave's system gives power to Brave Software, Inc. It gives you a pittance so you forget that fact. In your case, they even get a shill supporting their bullshit.
Raphael Lullis
@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave
Visiting a web site does not imply agreeing to the terms of the site, do you know that?
Also, ad-blockers are a thing even before Brave. Do you think that anyone using uBlock is a "leech"?
Daniel Hakimi
@raphael @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave You don't want to support any sites at all, do you? You just want to leech off them? You don't want to support ad-based sites, but you're happy to support Brave, which is literally founded on tracking the amount of attention you're paying to its ads, it's right in the name of the token. I assume you're not opening a new crypto wallet for those tokens every day?
Raphael Lullis
@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave
Right, I do not want to support ad-based sites. I think they are morally wrong and I think this business model has made the world and the internet objectively worse. I do not want to "leech" of them, I just want them to disappear and give way to an internet where people can vote with their (metaphorical) wallets.
Brave's system fixes this. It gives power to the user to choose who gets their money and support.
Raphael Lullis
@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave
And quite frankly, the fact that Brave's system makes the sites with in-page and tracking ads struggle *is a good thing and the whole point of the system*
As an user, I do *not* want to support ad-based sites. I want to be able to select who gets my support.
Raphael Lullis
@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave
I am really not in the mood to get into another argument about this, but to summarize:
- no ad is "replaced". "Regular" Ad blocking and the Brave ads are independent functionality and both are opt-in.
- users choose if/when/how many ads they want to receive from Brave
- users get 70% of the revenue, which is a better deal than any other
- People keep repeating a bunch of falsehoods and assuming malice just because the hate Eich.
Daniel Hakimi
@raphael @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave The idea for Brave is "what if we replaced the ads on the internet with our own ads, kept a cut of the profits for ourselves, didn't tell the sites whose ads we replaced, and paid our users four cents a year to look the other way? Everybdoy wins!"
Raphael Lullis
That's the idea for @brave , but it seems that they got a bit too dependent on the easy money from FTX/Solana and Binance and now are a bit lost on their original purpose (make it possible for users to monetise their work without relying on centralized platforms)
They talk so much about privacy, but never ever considered having their own Mastodon instance, which could have been funded by their token.
Rich
Actually, IMO the fediverse is missing an opportunity here.
Optional privacy focused ads (and “promoted content”) could be a thing. A nonprofit open source privacy focused ad platform with support from lemmy, mastodon, pixelfed, etc. could challenge the likes of Google while bringing dollars to the various projects.
Ads themselves aren’t inherently bad. When used sparingly and within context they can be useful for product discovvery, etc.
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