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   mairin (mairin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 17:43:01 JST mairin

   It's ok if I post in Irish as long as I hide it? How generous.

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     mairin (mairin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 17:42:53 JST mairin

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     • Nigel Small
     • Michael Kearns

     @mobiuscog @technige Are you aware of the history between Ireland and England at least, if not the history of Irish? My ancestors were fucking stoned and beaten for speaking it.

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     mairin (mairin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 17:42:54 JST mairin

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     • Nigel Small
     • Michael Kearns

     @mobiuscog @technige Michael, I'm an Irish language speaker. You're calling my references to colonialism disingenuous?

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     Michael Kearns (mobiuscog@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 17:42:55 JST Michael Kearns

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     • Nigel Small

     @mairin @technige I appreciate your points (and your posts), and I can agree that with the correct tagging and filtering - notwithstanding the moderation difficulty - that there could be more flexibility.

     However, I feel that you are pinning the weights of the 'world' on one single instance's shoulders, when you are free to choose any other.

     There is no obligation for any instance to support everyone in the detail they wish.

     Your references to colonialism are aiso highly disingenuous.

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     mairin (mairin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 17:42:56 JST mairin

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     • Nigel Small
     • Michael Kearns

     @mobiuscog @technige That's why mastodon has language tagging and filtering features. The world doesn't exist to serve monolingual English speakers, and any discourse on this topic needs to be cognizant of that and the ugly and cruel colonial history of the language. Excusing such an inhumane policy as a practical moderation or filtering consideration is ridiculous at best.

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     Michael Kearns (mobiuscog@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 17:42:58 JST Michael Kearns

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     • Nigel Small

     @technige @mairin many communities only exist because the participants can converse in a common language.

     Whilst I personally have no issue with occasional posts in other languages, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't mostly English as I am unable to read most other languages, especially at browsing speed, and translation often does disservice to the original.

     I guess it depends on how you define 'community' and what to expect.

     The beauty of Mastodon is that you can run your own as you like.

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     Nigel Small (technige@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 17:42:59 JST Nigel Small

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     @mairin Yeah. I only became aware of this recently after signing up a long while back. I'm still not comfortable with the rule so I'm keeping my eyes open for an alternative which gives the same type of community but without that restriction.

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     mairin (mairin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 17:43:00 JST mairin

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     Difficulties implementing suppression of my ancestor's tongue?

     Have you read any books about, oh I don't know, colonialism?

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     mairin (mairin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 18:21:14 JST mairin

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     • Kev Quirk
     • Mike Stone
     • lalalala sombra
     • BirdsiteLIVE

     @BirdsiteLIVE @lasombra @mike @kev "explaination" <= this isnt English

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     BirdsiteLIVE (birdsitelive@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 18:21:15 JST BirdsiteLIVE

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     • Kev Quirk
     • Mike Stone
     • lalalala sombra

     @lasombra @mairin @mike @kev

     https://hub.fosstodon.org/why-fosstodon-is-english-only/

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     lalalala sombra (lasombra@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 18:21:16 JST lalalala sombra

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     • Kev Quirk
     • Mike Stone

     @mairin I wonder if this can be considered some sort of prejudice.

     @mike @kev can you shed some light?

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     mairin (mairin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 18:21:18 JST mairin

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     • mmu_man

     @mmu_man I already did. Multiple times. I am well aware of the intracacies of volunteer run projects, you could try googling me.

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     mmu_man (mmu_man@m.g3l.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 18:21:20 JST mmu_man

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     @mairin well, moderators are volunteers, with limited time and experience.

     Could you suggest them fixing the wording as a first step?

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     mairin (mairin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 18:21:21 JST mairin

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     • mmu_man

     @mmu_man No excuse. If it's an open, volunteer, FOSS oriented community, you simply solicit volunteers in the needed languages. Instead of - in effect - telling an Irish speaker (of ALL languages) to stop speaking Irish and speak the Queen's tongue.

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     mmu_man (mmu_man@m.g3l.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 18:21:23 JST mmu_man

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     @mairin it's likely due to moderation reasons: how can people moderate posts in a language they don't understand correctly?
     Automatic translation can still introduce errors…
     Maybe it's badly explained by I don't think it's intentional.