From VI:2, "if indeed thou art able to bear the whole yoke of the Lord thou shalt be perfect; but if thou art not able, do what thou canst." Dude you can totally be perfect if you take God's burdens all by yourself and totally make it. But if you can't just try your best dearie OK? 😊
@givenup@nugger@SuperLutheran Fighting heresy is a perennial struggle, because it reappears in slightly different forms. Usually you crush it when it's small, like weeding a garden. Often this depends on your "clout", as Nugger pointed out, because small-time pastor doesn't have the same weight as Arch Bishop of a major area.
@SuperLutheran THAT AINT EVEN THE PROBLEM, POPES COME AND GO AS DO THE DOCTRINES THEY INVENT THE PROBLEM IS TWOFOLD IM GONNA PUT IN MY EFFORTPOST OF THE DAY
@SuperLutheran FIRST IS THE ANCIENT ENEMY OF ALL CHRISTENDOM -- SUPERBISHOP KIM YEUL GOOK OF THE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC AND ORTHODOX PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH OF THE DIVINE MOTHER IN SEOUL, WHO COMES UP TO THE REGULAR JOE AND SAYS "YOU BEREEV IN HORI FATER AND SAN, WELL WE ARUSO BEREEV IN HORI MAVER, THATS WHO TE HORI SUPIRITUH YOU WERE TAUTE" THE GUY HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE HE WAS NAMED ARIUS AND THE KIND OF ACTION ORIENTED DESCRIPTION OF THE PROBLEM IS HOW DOES ONE DRAW COMMUNION LINES WHERE KIM YEUL GOOK CAN'T STEAL CLOUT HOW DO YOU MARK OUT THE ONES THAT ARENT CHRISTIANS AND THERE WERE MANY STRATEGIES
THE FIRST ONE IS THE OLDIE BUT A GOODIE, ACTIVE IMMUNE SYSTEM APPROACH WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEONE WRITE A TOME CONDEMNING KIM GOOKS TEACHING THIS RELIES ON THE REBUKER'S CLOUT, AND HOW WELL HE NAVIGATES THE LANGUAGE OF HIS OWN THEOLOGY AND KIM GOOKS ITS NOT AN ABSOLUTE, IT IS MORE OF A CALL FOR ACTION TOWARD OTHER MEASURES OF KEEPING KIM GOOK OUT, AND IS A A ONE TIME THING AND NEEDS TO BE REPEATED EVERY TIME KIM GOOK RESURFACES UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME WITH A DIFFERENT TEACHING
THE SECOND APPROACH IS ALSO TRIED AND TRUE -- KICK THE GUY OUT, PUBLICLY DECLARE YOU'RE DIFFERENT, HOPE YOUR CLOUT IS BIGGER THAN KIM GOOKS (HISTORICALLY IT USUALLY IS AND HERETICAL CHURCHES ARE SMALLER AND PETER OUT WITH TIME) AND KEEP WRITING CONDEMNATORY SCREEDS THAT WILL CONVINCE BELIEVERS TO YOUR SIDE
THE THIRD APPROACH IS A LONGER TERM PASSIVE IMMUNE SYSTEM STRATEGY: WRITE AN AXIOMATIC THEOLOGICAL STATEMENT EVERYONE MUST AGREE WITH VERY COOL AND SCIENTISTIC, THIS IS HOW THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY GETS WORKED OUT INTO WRITING AND SUSSED OUT IN EVERY PARTICULAR ASPECT OF IT, TO BE USED AS A MEASURE TO SNIFF OUT KIM GOOK DOES IT WORK? SOMETIMES IN SOME WAYS IT STILL RELIES ON CLOUT AND SHARED AND CLEAR THEOLOGICAL LANGUAGE KIM GOOK ONCE UNDER NESTOR'S NAME CLAIMED TO AGREE TO THE SECOND COUNCIL THAT CONDEMNED HIS TEACHINGS HE ONLY HAD TO REJIG A FEW DEFINITIONS AND HEY PRESTO
THE FOURTH APPROACH IS TO HAVE AN ITALIAN SUPERBISHOP IN AACHEN OR AVIGNON, AND WHOEVER HE IS IN CAHOOTS WITH IS COOL AND EVERYONE ELSE GETS TO KICK ROCKS WORKS ONLY SO LONG AS THE SUPERBISHOP ISNT KIM YEUL GOOK, WHO WAS IN THE VATICAN FROM THE START AND WHEN HE WASN'T WEARING THE BIG HAT HE WAS DRESSED IN ALL RED SO THIS JUST MOVES THE PROBLEM ONE STEP UP AND LEAVES IT THERE YOU STILL NEED COMMUNION BREAKS AND LONG THEOLOGICAL STATEMENTS, AND YOU STILL NEED THE SUPERBISHOP'S CLOUT TO BE ABSOLUTE WHICH IT COULDN'T BE IN AN ITALY WHERE THE MEDICI'S AND BORGIA'S EXISTED
THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO LEVERS TO EXCLUDING KIM GOOK THESE ARE CLOUT FOR EXTERNAL CRITIQUE, THE COMMON PERCEPTION OF ONE COMMUNION BEING MORE RIGHT THAN THE OTHER, AND A SHARED THEOLOGICAL LANGUAGE WHICH ALLOWS ONE COMMUNION TO DO AN INTERNAL CRITIQUE OF THE OTHER IF I SAY THAT SOMETHING SOMETHING THE GIFTS OF THE TABLE MYSTICALLY BECOME THE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST BY ACTION OF GOD NOT MAN -- THE CATHOLIC PRIEST WILL AGREE HE WILL THINK AH YES THE BREAD AND WINE MYSTICALLY CHANGE THEIR NATURE INTO FLESH AND BLOOD WHEN I BY MY ACTIONS INVOKE THE WILL OF GOD (A POWER GRANTED TO ME BY MY CLERIC CLASS) THE DEFINITIONS HAVE BEEN REJIGGED AND INTERNAL CRITIQUE IS IMPOSSIBLE, NESTORIANS ACCEPT THE SECOND ECUMENICAL COUNCIL FULLY
In conclusion, remember this: just because something in the Church is old doesn't mean it is right. Do not permit any document from the Church Fathers or "Apostolic Constitutions" or whatever take away your fealty to the Word of God Alone. Otherwise you'll be as goofy as the Didache.
@SuperLutheran OLE TIMEY AND LOCAL IDIOSYNCRASIES (THE HYPOCRITE FASTING THING CLEARLY MEANS LOTS OF JEWS AROUND THE TIME AND PLACE IT WAS WRITTEN) OTHERWISE NO REAL ISSUES
ITS NOT FOR YOU BECAUSE YOURE MIRED IN SOME MOLDY ANCIENT IDIOSYNCRATIC LOCAL CHURCH TRADITION OF A GERMAN CHILIASTIC SECT FROM FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT THOUGHT THE GREAT APOSTASY WAS HAPLENING RIGHT NOW AND THE END OF DAYS IS GONNA BE ANY DAY NOW SO YOU CANT APPRECIATE A TEXT MIRED IN SOME MOLDY ANCIENT IDIOSYNCRATIC LOCAL CHURCH TRADITION OF A JERUSALEM CHILIASTIC SECT FROM TWENTY HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT THOUGHT THE GREAT APOSTASY WAS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND THE END OF DAYS IS ANY DAY NOW
From XIII, " If thou preparest bread, take the first fruit and give according to the commandment. Likewise when thou openest a jar of wine or of oil, take the first-fruit and give to the Prophets. And of silver, and raiment, and every possession, take the first-fruit, as may seem good to thee, and give according to the commandment."
LMAO dude there are so many ministries dedicated to slamming the televangelists and the prosperity guys but how many of them realize that we've had this problem for 1800 years at least? "Gimme everything you get first, do what the Law of Moses says."
Here's chapter XIV, in which we are told to do a heckin' sacrifice - because Hebrews must have lied about there not being sacrifices anymore or something. "1. And on the Lord's Day of the Lord come together, and break bread, and give thanks, having before confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. 2. Let no one who has a dispute with his fellow come together with you until they are reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be defiled. 3. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice, for I am a great King, saith the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the Gentiles."
From chapter XI about Apostolic visitations: "But he shall not remain [longer than] one day; and, if need be, another [day] also; but if he remain three [days] he is a false prophet."
Want a handy dandy test for false prophets? If they spend three days or more with you. Clearly such a man is damned, since he'll eat all your cheerios.
"And every prophet who speaks in the spirit ye shall not try or prove; for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven." Look, we know that St. John told you to test the spirits, but we're tired of all these questions and if you do it you're gong to Hell, OK? STOP ASKING US WHERE THIS STUFF IS IN THE BIBLE
From chapter XII, "Let every one that comes in the name of the Lord be received, and then proving him ye shall know him; for ye shall have understanding right and left." - Don't test the prophets but submit everyone else to purity tests, got it? Only the best people in our churches sweaty 😘
Here's their topsy-turvy Eucharist prayer in chapter IX: "First for the cup: We give thanks to Thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which thou hast made known to us through Jesus, Thy servant: to Thee be the glory for ever. And for the broken bread: We give thanks to Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which Thou hast made known to us through Jesus, Thy servant: to Thee be the glory for ever."
"Look, we know how Jesus did it, but we are thirsty FIRST, ok? And we will be thankful, NOT for the Body and Blood of Christ, but for DAVID because we are GOOD CHRISTIANS."
From chapter X: "Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the God of David. If any one is holy let him come, if any one is not holy let him repent. Maranatha. Amen."
Lol listen guys, do you even David? Have you even heard of David my dude? How can you call yourself a Christian unless you bring up David at every opportunity?
From VIII:1, "Let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and fifth day of the week; but ye shall fast on the fourth day, and the preparation day (Friday)." This one is just plain special lmao
"Dear God, I thank you that I am not like those HYPOCRITES who only fast on Mondays and Fridays. I fast on Thursdays and Fridays. I'm a good Christian, thank you very much God."
From VII:2, "But before Baptism let the baptizer and the baptized fast, and any others who can; but thou shalt command the baptized to fast for one or two days before."
Listen pal, I know that Jesus and the Apostles taught Baptism is a wonderful gift from our Lord that saves, but I'm not gonna Baptize you unless you are hungry. Gotta be hungry my dude, we're not doing Baptize unless you're stahvin'.
@givenup@nugger@SuperLutheran You should read about the Nicean council, Trent, etc. The people he named, Arius for example, are well known. St. Nicholas (aka Santa Claus) slapped him out for his heresy on the council floor. Nick was stripped of his bishop robe and jailed temporarily while the council recessed for the day. All the bishops and priests had a dream where they were visited by Jesus who told them to knock it off, and they woke up horrified and went to free him and saw him with either an Angel or The Lord in the cell.