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   Ignacio Torres (itorres@social.xin.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Aug-2023 04:35:18 JST Ignacio Torres

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   • Berkubernetus
   • Matěj Cepl 🇪🇺 🇨🇿 🇺🇦
   • Bryan Cantrill

   @mcepl @fuzzychef

   thank you. AFAIK they cannot re-license the past so it would be possible to continue using the Hashicorp versions prior to adoption of the BSL while migrating to an alternative or even fork if there is a community willing to continue development in an OSS fashion.

   And I completely agree with you. Hashicorp's change of license is, in the words of @bcantrill, "shitting in the pool of Open Source pool and disgusting corporate behaviour".*

   * https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2518

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     Matěj Cepl 🇪🇺 🇨🇿 🇺🇦 (mcepl@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 13-Aug-2023 04:35:19 JST Matěj Cepl 🇪🇺 🇨🇿 🇺🇦

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     • Berkubernetus

     @itorres @fuzzychef I didn’t want to be aggressive (and I am sorry @fuzzychef if I was) but to show how incredibly damaging and awful such jerk action as withdrawing commonly used program from FLOSS universe is.

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     Ignacio Torres (itorres@social.xin.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Aug-2023 04:35:21 JST Ignacio Torres

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     • Berkubernetus
     • Matěj Cepl 🇪🇺 🇨🇿 🇺🇦

     @mcepl @fuzzychef Hold your horses. It’s as easy as reaching out to Hashicorp to get in writing what is your organisation use case and decide if you want to pay or not.

     I’m not a lawyer and obviously my previous message was not any kind of legal advice.

     Your aggressive reply is completely out of place in a civil discussion.

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     Matěj Cepl 🇪🇺 🇨🇿 🇺🇦 (mcepl@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 13-Aug-2023 04:35:22 JST Matěj Cepl 🇪🇺 🇨🇿 🇺🇦

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     • Berkubernetus

     @itorres @fuzzychef What? You **think**? Are you a lawyer? Are you my lawyer? How is your business insurance for damage caused by a bad advice doing?

     This is exactly what Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt means. Nobody is really certain and willing to bet their business on these terms, so many will just pay the protection fee.

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     Ignacio Torres (itorres@social.xin.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Aug-2023 04:35:23 JST Ignacio Torres

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     • Berkubernetus

     @fuzzychef I think the key part is "an offering competitive with #HashiCorp products or services" and is addressed in point 6 of the FAQ:

     "6. Who is impacted by this change?
     Organizations providing competitive offerings to HashiCorp will no longer be permitted to use the community edition products free of charge under our BSL license."

     https://www.hashicorp.com/license-faq#Who-is-impacted-by-this-change

     End users, be it personal or commercial for internal use, are allowed to use #Hashi products under the #BSL.

     https://www.hashicorp.com/license-faq#Who-is-impacted-by-this-change

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     Berkubernetus (fuzzychef@m6n.io)'s status on Sunday, 13-Aug-2023 04:35:24 JST Berkubernetus

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     "All non-production uses are permitted. All production uses are allowed other than hosting or embedding the software in an offering competitive with HashiCorp products or services."

     Use of Terraform in Kubernetes testing infrastructure is certainly production use.

     And: Hashicorp produces Nomad, which is a competitor to Kubernetes.

     I think you can add this up, can't you?

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     Berkubernetus (fuzzychef@m6n.io)'s status on Sunday, 13-Aug-2023 04:35:25 JST Berkubernetus

     So, I wanna explain why #Hashi's "commercial use" restriction means a proprietary license.

     Theoretically, if you were using their project to work on an OSS project that you gave away for free, it wouldn't apply to you, right?

     Well, no.

     Take, for example, the Kubernetes Project. Kubernetes is a free, open source project, owned by a nonprofit. We also use Terraform to support our infra in a couple places.

     Should be fine, right? Nope!

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