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   Donna Young (donnayoungdc@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:08:22 JST Donna Young

   Standing recommendations for #COVID19 issued by the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO) in accordance with the International Health Regulations (2005) (IHR) https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/standing-recommendations-for-covid-19-issued-by-the-director-general-of-the-world-health-organization-(who)-in-accordance-with-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-(ihr)
   Report of the Review Committee regarding standing recommendations for COVID-19 https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/report-of-the-review-committee-regarding-standing-recommendations-for-covid-19 #SARSCoV2 #COVIDNotDoneWithUs #WHO #CDC

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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:08:13 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon You don't think COVID was a lab leak, or you don't think it was "created"? Somewhat of a semantic distinction IMO, since the specifics that caused it to gain traction likely came about from the mice with human lung tissue on their backs used for research, no?
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:08:14 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     > Unfortunately, Covid was a pathogen created by a lab funded both by the US government and the Chinese Communist Party,
     
     no, it wasn't
     
     > and it was several months after the initial escape before the world reacted to it
     
     ie 2-3
     
     > , so we never actually had a chance to stop it.
     
     we have a chance right now
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:08:15 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     ...seriously though why should the IHR'05 be *interfering* with national governments attempts to get a airborn pathogen under control, by restricting it from implementing travel restrictions unilaterally. The IHR'05 wasn't designed to *stymy* attempts at implementing public health measures it was supposed to *promote* them.
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     RogerFalcon (rogerfalcon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:08:15 JST RogerFalcon

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     @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc It seems to me like this is another polarized worldview thing, where people are only comfortable saying either “Covid was no big deal” or “we should have tried harder to beat it.”
     
     Unfortunately, Covid was a pathogen created by a lab funded both by the US government and the Chinese Communist Party, and it was several months after the initial escape before the world reacted to it, so we never actually had a chance to stop it. We live in a different world now that we did in 2019.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:08:16 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     > 2. Sustain national and sub-national capacities, as appropriate, for preparedness, prevention, and response for COVID-19 ... These capacities may include multi-source surveillance, risk assessment, testing and sequencing capacities, infection prevention and control, clinical management, planning and delivery of mass
     gathering events [??], risk communication and community engagement, infodemic management, public health and social measures, and access to and use of medical countermeasures
     
     > Based on the current COVID-19 epidemiological situa�on,
     
     [ and we know that because of testing and surveillance that doesn't exist anymore ]
     
     > refrain from any unilateral travel-related restrictions or health measures, including requirements for testing or
     vaccination, and ... any such remaining measures to avoid unnecessary interference with international traffic and trade.
     
     in other words: international trade trumps dealing with covid.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:23:26 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • RogerFalcon
     > You don't think COVID was a lab leak, or you don't think it was "created"?
     
     No, I don't.
     
     > the specifics that caused it to gain traction likely came about from the mice with human lung tissue on their backs used for research, no?
     
     Not if it didn't come from/wasn't passed through mice
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:23:26 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     • RogerFalcon
     @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon What do you think is the source? You're aware that the initial group that condemned lab leak as a conspiracy theory were people who were tied to the project in some way, I'm sure. The doctors I spoke with thought it was a research containment failure. Not that it was an intentional bio weapon, but that they were trying to research coronaviruses because of SARS and MERS and such, and in the process might have created a viable path for a variant to flourish in humans. This sounds far more believable to me than "wet market" a few kilometers from a biosafety level 4 lab. If a random weird disease showed up near Fort Detrick, MD, I'd look at USAMRID as a source.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:27:40 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • RogerFalcon
     one of the many animals in the meat market at wuhan, that was stored/sold in the particular square meter or two in the wuhan meat market that has been identified as the origin.
     
     > This sounds far more believable to me
     
     It was believable, until the evidence came out.
     
     >, I'd look at USAMRID as a source.
     
     And they did look at wuhan's lab, as they should have. I'm not saying they shouldn't have looked there first -- I was, like you, predisposed to believe the wuhan lab was the origin before the actual data came out against it. But it has.
     
     the implications are important though
     
     there's all kinds of county fairs across north america that work similar enough to the meat market, that could be the where next pandemic comes from (though it will probably also come from china first). Fresh meat, and the population pressure involved in requiring it are important problems to solve.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:27:40 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     • RogerFalcon
     @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon I know people get off the deep end on this, and I'm trying to be more level headed here. They've not been straightforward on anything throughout this, and I have a hard time believing "official" information on this. I'm not going to automatically assume the sky is red if they say it's blue, but I'm not willing to trust a lot of info on this. Hopefully you understand my skepticism.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:28:31 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • RogerFalcon
     'California flu' was another name for influenza. So again: no. Different family of viruses.
     
     https://www.science.org/content/article/swine-flu-names-evolving-faster-swine-flu-itself
     
     this is the sort of mistake you will continue to make until you learn what a coronavirus is
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     white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:28:31 JST white_male

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     • RogerFalcon
     @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @BowsacNoodle @RogerFalcon The only similarity that matters, GAE fucking around in offshore labs with gain of function research on potentially deadly viruses.
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     white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:28:32 JST white_male

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     • RogerFalcon
     @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @BowsacNoodle @RogerFalcon It's not like this shit happened the first time. California flu, the grandfather of covid. They've been running these labs all over the world and we only know about few.
     europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-8-2016-000636_EN.html
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:28:32 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • RogerFalcon
     > California flu, the grandfather of covid
     
     No.
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     white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:28:33 JST white_male

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     • BowserNoodle ☦️
     • RogerFalcon
     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon Lmao, there were even a fucking GAE senate committees running agenda "we did a bioweapon oopsie, how do we shut the world up before they start pointing fingers".
     
     Strangely and shortly after we get a proxy was that economically strangles the world.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:28:33 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • RogerFalcon
     > Lmao, there were even a fucking GAE senate committees running agenda "we did an bioweapon oopsie, how do we shut the world up before they start pointing fingers".
     
     That wasn't what happened.
     
     > Strangely and shortly after we get a proxy was that economically strangles the world.
     
     either one of two things is true
     1) it was started by russia
     2) it didn't start in 2022
     pick one
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:30:36 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     • RogerFalcon
     @white_male @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon It's not gain of function if you change the definition of gain of function (Eddie Murphy thinking.jpeg). We saw a lot of medical definitions shift in a very Orwellian way over the last three years. Heard immunity has always required vaccination, for instance. Honestly the medical system has brought the growing lack of trust on themselves by selling out to pharma pressures.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:31:41 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon I recall there being something fishy about the circumstances of that research, but I don't remember what.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:31:42 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     For sure, i'm lucky in that i live in backwater saskatchewan where the data proving zoonotic origin happened to originate. If I didn't have the UofS next door I wouldn't know, and would be in your boat still.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:32:14 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     Heard immunity
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:32:14 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon @white_male Phone posting problems 😭.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 03:27:10 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @white_male @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon I like Jeff, because he's critical enough of existing institutional power structures to hold good conversation and generally he's not a dick. We all have our blind spots and personal beliefs, and I don't hold them against others as long as they're chill.
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     white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 03:27:11 JST white_male

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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon Yeah, we talked and we agree. Also jeff is a faggot.
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     Ghislaine :dancing_z: (ghislaine@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 03:45:55 JST Ghislaine :dancing_z:

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     @BowsacNoodle @white_male @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon Yeah they really went full retard
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 03:53:16 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @Ghislaine @white_male @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon >Hey, don't you think that's a bit fast for a vaccine? Especially with tech that's not been tried much on humans?
     "Safe and effective"
     >okay but what if there's weird side effects?
     "Safe and effective!"
     >Sure, but you do realize people have reactions to drugs all the time. Might be worth getting more sampling before full rollout? And are we sure we can trust the manufacturer's private testing data which showed 100% efficacy? That seems out of character for any treatment...
     "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE!!!"
     >yeah you keep saying that and getting mad at me for reasonable questions regarding my bodily autonomy. I'm not feeling too comfortable with this. If this was any elective medical procedure, I'd be out of here and looking for another hospital and doctor.
     "Wow! Just wow! Drumpftards LITERALLY killing my grandma! I hope you die!"
     >So I'm supposed to trust you when you tell me you hope I die after pushing stuff on me and not answering reasonable skepticism? Hey what about all the data that says young men should take a different dose or forgo the vaccine all together?
     "Mods!!! Ban him!!"
     
     Oh but don't forget they want amnesty for this. These people are scum. I'm not forgetting, and I'll make sure my children don't either.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 07:08:54 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     • RogerFalcon
     @white_male @Ghislaine @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon That's only #Darkjeff that wants to cleanse all living creatures to stop the spread of COVID. Regular Jeff is much more pragmatic and willing to use nuance.
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     white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 07:08:55 JST white_male

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     • RogerFalcon
     @BowsacNoodle @Ghislaine @jeffcliff @donnayoungdc @RogerFalcon Jeff's literally all that, yet you give him amnesty. ;]