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   Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿 (woodbark@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:15 JST Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿

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   @playinprogress isnt it phrased as "female rage" these days? @mnl

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     play in progress (playinprogress@assemblag.es)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:17 JST play in progress

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     @mnl Yes, I suspect today would be easier. But I haven't been keeping up with images of feminine brutality in the last 10+ years or so, so I am not even entirely sure 🙃

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     mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl (mnl@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:18 JST mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl

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     @playinprogress but would be easier today, right? I do think in the 90ies finding role models speaking to you as a cis-male that weren't the monstrosities we have today was not a problem, and indeed the problem was more about society in general.

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     play in progress (playinprogress@assemblag.es)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:19 JST play in progress

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     @mnl dude, you were lucky to have those! Try finding aggressive _female_ role models as a teenager in the 90ies lol. I very vividly remember the revelation it was for me to watch Jasmin Tabatabei beat up cops & break out of jail in 'Bandits' - but that was pretty much _all i had_. Later i found music and such but a lot of the things i was into say, from 18-24 was really me catching up on things i wished i could have had earlier.

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     mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl (mnl@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:20 JST mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl

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     @playinprogress did you identify with schwarzenegger and mike tyson? or uh jimi hendrix and kevin mitnick, in my case?feel that "mess with the best, die like the rest" was not just ironic? (maybe you did, i don't think that actually matters for the point i want to make).

     I'm out of my depth here, but the fact that so many boys are into tate and peterson sure sounds like a crisis to me.

     Someone saying that they feel lost when trying to build an identity is valid.

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     play in progress (playinprogress@assemblag.es)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:21 JST play in progress

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     @mnl (also, me at say, 12-16: competitive ✅ brash ✅ violent ✅ )

     Is this a question of masculinity or of teenagers in general learning what to do with their aggressive impulses?

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     mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl (mnl@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:22 JST mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl

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     At least I could channel my angst and violence into being a fucking leet hacker until I my hormones calmed down. I could make weird shitty jokes and memes and troll people in an overall leftist environment rather than 4chan.

     So please show some empathy and help us provide some positive cis-male roles, because you can’t hold lost teenagers to account the same way you can powerful men.

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     mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl (mnl@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:23 JST mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl

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     A 13 year old is not going to care or understand or have a productive examination of patriarchy, he wants to get laid, punch the wall and beat those motherfuckers on counter strike.

     In my childhood without internet, despite being on the receiving end of toxic masculinity, these were issues I wrestled with too. Had I found the manosphere, I would have been all over it.

     I “lucked out” that I found the Linux, demo and hacker scene, and even those were pretty toxic.

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     mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl (mnl@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:25 JST mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl

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     I don’t know why and i don’t think it’s actually relevant, but based on my own experience as cis-male that hopefully has a healthy relationship to my gender identity, a lot of boys are competitive and brash and violent, and feel that traditional models that gave an outlet to these tendencies (sports, work, craftsmanship, …) are disappearing.

     Feeling that one’s identity is not taken seriously is a fucking valid problem to have and hopefully one that many can relate to.

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     mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl (mnl@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:34:26 JST mnl mnl mnl mnl mnl

     Not gonna reply guy in peoples comments but I think the phrasing “crisis of masculinity” is justified.

     The fact that the space of role models for cis-male (if this is how you want to parse “masculinity”) teenagers and young adults has been colonized by abject to fully repulsive individuals such as Peterson or Tate is a crisis.

     Not every teen is going to watch queer eye or contrapoints and resonate or make the bridge from the issues discussed to their own angst and struggles.

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