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   Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 20:16:19 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

   Uh oh. My more recent experiences with #Lemmy and by proxy #Kbin are becoming increasingly like they were with Reddit (not good). What's the deal with that? Why is the discourse I find on #Mastodon so much more positive and productive than there? Is it an influx of ex-Reddit users bringing bad habits and negative energy with them? Is it the actual software; the format; the layout? What is it? #Fediverse

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 21:40:45 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     • JoeP

     @JoeP I've used Reddit and Lemmy for a while now and I'd say the opposite is true. The whole "debate me bro" downvote culture seems to be the default premise. Whereas on Mastodon those types know they won't be platformed or barely even seen.

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     JoeP (joep@mastodon.world)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 21:40:46 JST JoeP

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     I have yet to get properly into Lemmy but there does seem to be a lot more discussion or purpose and boundaries there...almost but not quite gatekeeping.
     I never used Reddit much but I suspect the idea with Lemmy is similar - you need to follow / participate in specific communities - and each will have its own character.

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 21:41:40 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     • maegul

     @maegul Yeah exactly, those are really good points actually - great insight!

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 21:41:41 JST maegul

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     @MediaActivist

     I suspect it’s the people, largely because the migration event was sparked by convenience (3rd party apps dying) while the Twitter migration was cultural/political.

     I’ve heard from a mod that runs both a lemmy and masto instance that they can see the differences in cultural heritage.

     But also, an impersonal platform can maybe lead to impoliteness (if that’s the sort of thing you’re referring to)?

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 22:46:06 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     • JoeP

     @JoeP I do wonder about the format - the passive-aggressive downvote culture on posts, the dismissive language and willingness to shit on inoffensive, innocuous, simple opinion-based posts that they don't agree with like it's some sort of sport, even within the rules. And in fairness, that was typical of Reddit, and only seems to have taken over Lemmy in recent weeks.

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     JoeP (joep@mastodon.world)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 22:46:08 JST JoeP

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     @MediaActivist
     Hmm, not encouraging

     Are Lemmy servers supposed to have individual rules and focus?
     eta: meaning that it might be possible to have a good #Lemmy experience?

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 00:31:15 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     • mike

     @mike I'm thinking the same.

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     mike (mike@micro.mkp.ca)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 00:31:16 JST mike

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     @MediaActivist I do think the up/down voting mechanism lends to aggressive confrontational styles.

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 00:34:13 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     • JoeP

     @mike @JoeP That is a really, really good point.

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     mike (mike@micro.mkp.ca)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 00:34:14 JST mike

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     • JoeP

     @JoeP @MediaActivist Unfortunately there are not enough people on Lemmy for communities to differentiate. A lot of users read everything, so you get stuff like mostly auto enthusiasts responding to posts on /c/fuckcars.

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 00:43:25 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     • mike

     @mike I really think you're onto something!

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     mike (mike@micro.mkp.ca)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 00:43:26 JST mike

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     @MediaActivist I think that it leads to “blood in the water” and people start piling on when they might have otherwise had a moderate view of the discussion

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 02:13:54 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     • maegul

     @maegul @freakazoid Yeah, that's a really good point.

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 02:13:55 JST maegul

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     @freakazoid @MediaActivist

     Yep that’s part of it too.

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     Charles U. Farley (freakazoid@retro.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 02:13:56 JST Charles U. Farley

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     • maegul

     @maegul @MediaActivist Then I imagine it very much depends on one's instance and communities. The first is true of Mastodon as well.

     I suspect that, like with the Twitter migration, it's largely not Reddit's culture people are fleeing, though. It's their policies. Mastodon had a chance to establish a culture of its own before the Twitter migration, which seems to be less true of Lemmy and kbin.

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 02:13:57 JST maegul

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     @freakazoid @MediaActivist

     That’s not entirely true. There’s a sense amongst many of leaving old Reddit culture behind and starting again.

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     Charles U. Farley (freakazoid@retro.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 02:13:58 JST Charles U. Farley

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     @MediaActivist It's the lack of any desire or effort to have a different culture.

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Aug-2023 00:31:12 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     Ooh now #Beehaw does seem to encourage a different culture, which seems very promising! All I'd heard about them until now was folks complaining they'd defederated from instances with an influx of users from Reddit. And yet now that makes even more sense in retrospect!

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     Jay Baker (they/he) (mediaactivist@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 22:00:37 JST Jay Baker (they/he)

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     @wednesday It's funny you should mention that! I love the general principle of the Fediverse, and I just joined #Beehaw as a result of these thoughts of mine (and folks replying here with interesting points like yours!) - and posted this (rather long!) comment on there which perhaps gives a little more context: https://beehaw.org/comment/910283

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     Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (wednesday@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 22:00:38 JST Crazy Ex-Girlfriend

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     @MediaActivist

     possibly related to the fact that Lemmy was created by and for tankies? that puts it in a poor position for having good discourse from the beginning and probably attracts like-minded users.

     the ex-Reddit people over on Raddle seem to have a much better time fitting in to the site culture; that might be because there aren't as many of them, but maybe also because of which subs/users decided to move to each platform.