Samuel
@folkerschamel @SallyStrange @steve No, we didn't. We think that a part of running an instance is maintaining a block list that makes the experience nice. There are a lot of shitty instances. It's enough that the admin teams have to handle them and block. We just block the worst. But a giant instance run by Meta? We say thanks but no thanks.
The awesome part with fedi is that people can migrate to other instances. The people that have accounts on our server know how we run things.
Nicola Helle 😈🏳️⚧️😈
@folkerschamel @samuel @SallyStrange @steve
I’m your huckleberry…
The argument you make assumes cultural neutrality in terms of its ability to coexist with other cultures.
And, well, a few counters to that:
Colonization.
Evangelization.
Irredentism.
Racism.
Sexism.
Homophobia.
Transphobia.
Xenophobia.
The cultures that we reject are those that are actively hostile to the lives and cultures of others. To ignore the existence of these hostilities is to ignore reality.
You claim instance-blocking as xenophobia, yet deny existing forms of xenophobia within those other instances, and argue against the right of instances to defend against that xenophobia.
There’s a term that describes that sort of behavior, accusing others of hostile behavior by defending themselves from hostile behavior: DARVO. Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender.
Folker
@samuel @SallyStrange @NicolaElle @steve
You are sure that you want to defend the "we have to protect against other cultures" argument?
Samuel
@SallyStrange @folkerschamel @NicolaElle @steve Yes, this is the crux of the matter.
It is not cool to compare people with neo nazis, especially when those same people a lot of the time have been the direct targets of neo nazis.
Don't do that. And don't defend those who do
Sally Strange
@samuel @folkerschamel @NicolaElle @steve this is bothering me. If you don't understand why people want the Fedipact, fine. That's perfectly reasonable.
But to say "I don't understand" while simultaneously defending the comparison between Fedipact signers and neo-Nazis? To say "I don't understand Fedipact" while asserting that Fedipact could be dangerous in the same way that fascism is dangerous? You're either a fool, an evil liar, or both. There are no other options.
Samuel
@SallyStrange @folkerschamel @NicolaElle @steve Yeah, that is quite inconsistent
Sally Strange
@folkerschamel @NicolaElle @samuel @steve AND you're calling those who decide to collaborate in their choices of who to block neo-Nazis
Folker
@NicolaElle @SallyStrange @samuel @steve
I'm not arguing against blocking. And I'm not even arguing against instance blocking in general.
I'm just saying that I prefer giving individual people the choice if they block #threads, and I don't see the need of instance admins making the decisions for them.
Nicola Helle 😈🏳️⚧️😈
@folkerschamel @SallyStrange @samuel @steve
One good Wikipedia article deserves another… if you must know why instances must block other instances:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Unfettered tolerance leads to rampant intolerance. It’s basically a choice between intolerant groups that would quash any that disagree with them, and tolerant groups that are willing to work with others. Being a part of the Fediverse means accepting a social contract of sorts to play well with others. If an instance isn’t willing to do that, it needs to be blocked to preserve the rest.
(This is also why, when Musk claimed to be a “free-speech absolutist”, most of us called BS.)
Folker
You can be cosmopolitan and at the same time proud of your own culture and preserve your own culture, without being afraid of other cultures or having the feeling that you must protect against other cultures.
Sally Strange
@folkerschamel @samuel @steve An Indigenous person: "I like my culture and would like to preserve my ancestors' language"
Folker and Steve: Wow you must be some sort of fascist
Think harder or shut the fuck up
Sally Strange
@folkerschamel @samuel @steve A fucking wikipedia article? Come on Folker. You can do better than that.
Explain to the fucking class how people on mastodon preferring mastodon culture to facebook culture makes them like neo-Nazis.
Fucking coward.
Folker
The intention of building up (physical or electronic) walls to "protect against other cultures" is often based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia.
Sally Strange
@folkerschamel @samuel @steve And yet you just confessed to not understanding the impulse behind it.
And you have not explained, even after repeated requests to specifically explain what the danger is, what the danger is.
Prediction: you will, for the third time at least, be unable to explain what the danger is.
https://strangeobject.space/@SallyStrange/110746701026870891
Folker
The original post was about something different:
About justifying a block by claiming that something is a thread to your culture.
Yes, I still think and agree with @steve that this is a dangerous argument.
Sally Strange
@folkerschamel @samuel @steve Wow, what a 180! From "if you do this, you're like a neo-Nazi" to "I don't understand this."
Maybe next time you should lead with "I don't understand this" instead of accusing a bunch of people who are typically among neo-Nazis' favorite targets of being neo-Nazis.
(And if you're going to object that it was the OP not you who made the comparison--STFU. You know that's disingenuous. You started by defending his post. If you didn't want to endorse the neo-Nazi comparison then you should have said so a long time ago.)
Folker
While I think that good content moderation is key, I just still don't understand the benefit or reason for instance level blocking or #fedipact when any user can simply just make their own choice by blocking whatever instance they want, leading to the same experience for that user without patronizing others.
But of course I support your feedom to run your instance as you want to. As you point out correctly, this is one of the awesome parts of the #fediverse.👍
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