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   Alexis (lexyeen@plush.city)'s status on Monday, 31-Jul-2023 23:40:34 JST Alexis

   Remember, kids: "Punishable by fine" is capitalist for "Legal if rich enough."

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     anubis2814 (anubis2814@friendica.myportal.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 15:58:18 JST anubis2814

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     @LexYeen I like the danish way, set the fine based on income and wealth so that everyone mostly feels the sting equally. Also more likely to actually enforce those fines for the wealthy because, yeah they may fight it with lawyers but the payoff for the state might end up being worth it.
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     Par (par@jauntygoat.net)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 15:58:27 JST Par

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     @LexYeen
     Depends how fines are calculated. If done properly they are a set proportion of actual income, not a fixed sum. IIRC someone in Finland paid over €100k for speeding...
     @esther

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     Delta Wye (deltawye@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 15:58:29 JST Delta Wye

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     @LexYeen Agreed.

     One exception - I’ve heard of countries (I think it was in Scandinavia) where some traffic fines were based off of income. So a $250 fine for one person was bumped to something like $250000 for someone with a much, much higher income.

     Unfortunately, I don’t know of other countries where fines are levied that way. And a fine can seriously harm one person is chump change for another.

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     Alexis (lexyeen@plush.city)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 15:58:30 JST Alexis

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     • Delta Wye

     @DeltaWye Income-based fine structures are less inherently unjust, this is true.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 15:58:31 JST clacke

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     • Delta Wye
     @timjan @DeltaWye @LexYeen Sweden absolutely has "dagsböter" for some things but sadly it is not used for e.g. speeding tickets.
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     timjan (timjan@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 15:58:32 JST timjan

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     • Delta Wye

     @DeltaWye @LexYeen
     I've heard it claimed about Finland.

     It's not the case in Sweden; I do not know the status of Norway/Denmark/Iceland.

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     anubis2814 (anubis2814@friendica.myportal.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 15:58:33 JST anubis2814

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     @LexYeen I find it interesting the number of people who can't see that they are posting the exact same thing as everyone else about northern Europe. Can't tell if its because of heavy defederation or if its just the nature of mastodon thread. Why I stick with Friendica, The layout of comments are way more like Facebook and less like old school twitter so I can always see every comment and who has said what.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 15:58:33 JST clacke

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     • anubis2814
     @anubis2814 @LexYeen Just normal fedi behavior – if a@x and b@y are not being followed by someone on the other server they will not see each other's comment unless someone followed interacts with it (and if Someone is on Mastodon or derivatives, a Like doesn't count as interaction).
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     timjan (timjan@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 04:11:42 JST timjan

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     • Delta Wye

     @clacke

     @LexYeen @DeltaWye

     True, but dagsböter are capped: the absolute maximum one can be ordered to pay is 150 000 SEK
     (150 dagsböter @ 1000 SEK).

     (That's on the order of 15 000 USD).

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