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   Janne Moren (jannem@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 18:37:31 JST Janne Moren

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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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   @kspalaiologos@akkoma.0x68756773.moe @kspalaiologos@fedi.absturztau.be @niconiconi @ignaloidas @lanodan
   Apple hardware *in general* is not any better than other premium computing hardware. And the software has been on a long, slow worsening trajectory for years.

   The M1 and M2 are *really* nice CPUs. But that is 80-90% due to them being ARM-based, free of legacy cruft; other ARM systems are similarly just better than the equivalent X86 ones.

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     Palaiologos (kspalaiologos@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 18:37:37 JST Palaiologos

     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     @niconiconi @lanodan @ignaloidas @kspalaiologos @jannem have i just started a flame war :-)? obviously they are better when it comes to TDP than x86 machines, but that's because neither Intel nor AMD didn't care too much about low-TDP CPUs before. they are significantly cheaper than full x86 builds (esp. M1 Macs Mini), the CPU hardware is _just_ better (bigger OoO buffers, built with the 5nm process, less stupid legacy crust and bad design decisions like AVX512 taking die space, simpler instruction decoders, ...).
     
     I understand the sentiment of disliking Apple - I purposefully don't support neither Intel or M1 Macs because of Apple's predatory policies, I think that their software sucks and further I would rather be trying to fit my cranium inside of my arse than try to port software to the weird proprietary BSD thingamabob they have brought upon us. But their hardware is just better. And it's the only Apple product worth the price.