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   Palaiologos (kspalaiologos@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 19:34:32 JST Palaiologos

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   a similar situation: why is the current consensus such that garbage collection barriers should be done in software, while they could easily be done better in hardware instead?
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 19:34:31 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @kspalaiologos@fedi.absturztau.be @niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me because that requires cooperation from hardware with software
     
     and hardware doesn't like to change.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 17:40:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @kspalaiologos @jannem @niconiconi @ignaloidas M1 Macs aren't superior hardware, they're still Apple bullshit hardware where they solder components that tend to wear or fail.
     And software doesn't exists in a bubble, so either you want to use MacOS (*snrk*) or hope that reverse-engineered third-party OS work out well enough. (And I'd say something without enough specifications to write drivers isn't good at all)
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     Palaiologos (kspalaiologos@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 17:40:23 JST Palaiologos

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     @jannem @niconiconi @ignaloidas @lanodan I don't think that people stopped using Symbolics machines because they had superior hardware. The reason it failed is very simple - it is effectively impossible to get rid of x86-oids on the market, even if you have better technology on paper (see M1 Macs) the product is probably not going to see much mainstream use. And you need to be one of the 5-6 richest tech companies to even attempt at doing something like this.
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     Janne Moren (jannem@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 17:40:24 JST Janne Moren

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     @kspalaiologos @niconiconi @ignaloidas @lanodan

     People stopped using them for a reason though.

     Perhaps you could have another go at a more opinionated hardware design today.

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     Palaiologos (kspalaiologos@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 17:40:26 JST Palaiologos

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     @ignaloidas @lanodan @niconiconi well, we had Symbolics machines with hardware stack lifetime escape detection, hardware gc barriers, etc... - imo computing has largely regressed since then.