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   Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 21:57:14 JST Alex Gleason
   If you want to stop child porn, you have to pay us. No we won't do it for free. Yes we're the only way to do it, and no we won't open source it. Remember this is about money, not children.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:01:09 JST Alex Gleason

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     "those benefiting from [...] the services"
     
     Never forget this. He just overtly stated that corporations are the ones benefiting from this, not missing and exploited children.
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:01:21 JST Dushman

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     Capitalists wanting profit off that shit. Why am I not surprised?

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     Berlusconi Fever :sonnenrad: (mechasilvio@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:06:23 JST Berlusconi Fever :sonnenrad:

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     @alex Isn't "the service" core just a list of hashes? They could easily flip how "the service" works and open source it, allowing independent implementation for how to query it
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:09:28 JST Alex Gleason

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     We need to build our own Twitter. We need to build our own bank. We need to build our own Internet. And apparently, we need to build our own child protection organization.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:11:36 JST Alex Gleason

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     • coldacid on 🔥
     @coldacid It honestly seems like it. Feels like I'm emailing with a psychopath.
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     coldacid on 🔥 (coldacid@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:11:37 JST coldacid on 🔥

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     @alex daily reminder that the true purpose of these services is to feed more CP to the elites, while providing an easy blackmail or incarceration vector for them to the rest of us. It's never been for the children.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:12:34 JST 翠星石

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     @alex Obviously it's only about money.
     
     It's preposterous to use "open source" to refer to publishing hashes, as hashes themselves don't qualify for copyright, as they lack the creative aspect, so any such release of the hashes won't even qualify for the osd: https://opensource.org/osd/
     
     Sure a large enough collection of hashes may be creative enough to qualify for copyright as a whole, but extracting the hashes from such collection won't create a derivative work.
     
     I'm more driven to eliminate "open source" the more I see it being used as such a vacuous buzzword.
     
     It's merely the *right thing to do* to publish hashes of known illegal images, so an appropriation response to such images can be taken without having to look at the images, but of course these proprietary software companies will never do the right thing unless they're forced to.
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:13:52 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Sexy Moon
     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @alex
     
     CC: @Moon @graf
     
     You guys are gathering the evidence for when it will be inevitable to try to fight this? We might have to involve the EFF into this
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     teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:16:44 JST teknomunk

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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:19:07 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Sexy Moon
     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @alex @graf @Moon And talking of the EFF...
     
     https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/07/fbi-seizure-mastodon-server-wakeup-call-fediverse-users-and-hosts-protect-their
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     Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:20:31 JST Shadowman311

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     @alex Do your AI idea, it's the best option in the short term without having to get your hands on actual child porn to hash.
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     Sheriff CJ (The Impostor)?? (colonelj@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:29:54 JST Sheriff CJ (The Impostor)??

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     @alex you should write a big article about how the government doesn't want to hand out csam detecting software for free and really blow the lid on this story
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:50:45 JST 7666

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     @alex tell them if NCMEC can do it, why can't they
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 22:50:50 JST feld

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     Should we send the child porn to your email, or how do you want to begin collecting it? 🥲
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 00:23:00 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Sheriff CJ (The Impostor)??
     It’s not a government organisation btw, it’s technically a charity, and NCMEC is a non-profit.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 00:29:07 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • 7666
     Does NCMEC release their data?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 00:56:30 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • 7666
     Hmm well that makes more sense since they’re funded by the US government. IWF is a charity that’s mostly funded by organisations that use their service. I wonder if their hashes are basically identical.
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 00:56:31 JST 7666

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     • Fediverse Contractor
     @bot @alex the hashes? Not without signing something that says "don't release them publicly", but it is free of charge
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 01:25:46 JST 7666

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     • Fediverse Contractor
     @bot @alex I bet they are. They likely cooperate on these things (or at least I hope they do)
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     Matt Hamilton [Maryland] (eriner@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 02:18:19 JST Matt Hamilton [Maryland]

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     @alex I fixed their website for them:

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 03:10:30 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     If you don't pay them, they could have you blocked by ISPs in the UK. Shakedown much?
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 04:09:08 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • The Tall Man
     Not really. You missed a fundamental part of your analogy — an area controlled by the mob is the mob's store. Pay up or your not selling anything in it.
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     The Tall Man (thetallman@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 04:09:09 JST The Tall Man

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     • ?? Humpleupagus ??
     @Humpleupagus @alex In these specific cases you call a shakedown a service. The mob telling you to pay up or you will not be making business is totally different to let's say the ESRB telling you if you don't pay up your are not selling in any store.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 04:44:52 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • 7666
     I wonder why these organisations are set up this way to begin, given that they’re essentially law enforcement. Maybe it was before the government started straight up running cp sites so they could pretend they don’t store it themselves.
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     LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 06:13:05 JST LisPi

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     • Sexy Moon

     @coolboymew @alex @graf@poa.st @Moon And once more I'm vindicated in my statements that hosting anything #federated or #p2p on the #clearnet as non-corporations is unsafe and made intentionally so too.

     (That specific incident feels like old news at this point, but anyway.)

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 08:31:26 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • LisPi
     For revenue so they can continue operating, I think.
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     LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 08:31:27 JST LisPi

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     • 7666

     @7666 @alex @bot What even is the point of not sharing the hashes?

     It only reduces the number of hosts that will bother to use them for moderation and avoidance by malicious posters is already trivial anyway.

     Keeping the hashes private is at odds with the stated goal of minimizing the presence of such material.

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     Matt Hamilton [Maryland] (eriner@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 11:45:49 JST Matt Hamilton [Maryland]

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     • djsumdog
     • coldacid on 🔥

     @djsumdog @alex @coldacid If their genuine goal is to stop CSAM, they would release their hash list + fingerprints + detection software as open source software.

     The fact that they won't is proof that they are just another weaponized NGO.

     Open source would mean they couldn't extract hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars from big tech companies with deep pockets; they would have to rely on donors.

     "I spit on you from my tower, for you are down there and I up here! *ptooey!*"

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 11:45:50 JST djsumdog

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     • coldacid on 🔥
     All non-profits have to sustain themselves. Talk to anyone who's worked mid-level at a park or for the city and they'll tell you about all the shady practices they use to pull in more money. NGOs tend to make up new purposes and missions when their original goals being met. I've known of a single org that dissolved once once they met their goal (forcing a swimming pool chemical manufacturer to stop dumping EPA acceptable levels of mercury in the river).
     
     I know some organizations that have a very limited number of people blessed by the justice department to verify and report these images. Microsoft famously had one of these people sue Microsoft for PTSD over having to verify and report flagged material in e-mail:
     
     https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/11/microsoft-employees-child-abuse-lawsuit-ptsd
     
     ..but in this case we're just talking about hashes, and I doubt their vetting process would also require specialized clearance from law enforcement (required because possession without it is a strict liability crime).
     
     I can see an organization with a limited budget wanting to hold the reins a little tight, but you're also entirely right in that such tight reins defeats the purpose. These orgs are backed by people who don't want small independent Internet sites. They don't want kiwifarms or Subaru forums. They only want to back things that help the big boys like Reddit.
     
     Honestly, I get the feeling even if you get shared access for smaller independent fedi instances, the risk of using their APIs as far as data collection from individuals (even if you're just sending hashes) is probably far greater than anything you gain in content moderation. But ... who knows :blobcatshrug:
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 04:43:40 JST 7666

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     • meso
     @meso @alex yea he emailed that link to a reporter already lol
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     meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 04:43:41 JST meso

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     • 7666
     @alex https://infrablog.lain.la/iwf-nogo vile cc @7666
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 31-Jul-2023 23:27:12 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Sayar Tyler :fediverse:
     @sayartyler £1,000 minimum
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     Sayar Tyler :fediverse: (sayartyler@toots.tylerdavis.xyz)'s status on Monday, 31-Jul-2023 23:27:14 JST Sayar Tyler :fediverse:

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     @alex what's the price tag?