How would it be me? KF asswipes stirred up shit for no reason and have been alienating people that would have aided them. Instead of acting like spastic retards and keeping their heads down, they're acting like total LOLCows
@David@ThotsAndOpinions kiwifarms is just a forum with people who use it any moron with account can do stupid shit. just like any moron on the fediverse can. i don't know i see you use a site with a domain. and your using bad language could already be used to try and take your domain away. its fucking stupid to be happy about something that could be used against you to even if you don't like the people its used against first.
@Suzu@ThotsAndOpinions@David you must not have used the fediverse before or even twitter for that matter. its about that a troon can complain enough to take away your domain and your protection. because we are all using that right now. that's what it is about. and if your happy that a troon can do that then you cant really complain when it happens to you.
@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David the problem is that it's not just "any moron". KF seems to be hosting a whole lot of morons doing stupid shit. And there are only three possible causes for something like that: - the site is being targeted by feds and was infiltrated by a lot of glowies working in tandem to make the majority of the users look bad (highly unlikely because glowies only infiltrate one or two guys at a time) - the site's culture fosters shit stirring morons - the tard wranglers aren't doing their job
So, yeah, that's all on KF, it's users and administration. They dug their own grave, and after all the drama that happened this week, I'd be pretty happy to shove them into it.
@David@ThotsAndOpinions@Suzu im not for doxing people and journalists are mostly shit doxing can be done anywhere. but going after internet infrastructure is stupid because that will affect everybody even fucking copyright comes into this. its one of does things that will eventually come back to bite you in the ass.
The shitbags who have egged on the dox on me are all newfags with accounts only a few months old. Glow niggers or monkey wrenchers (like that HuffPo shitbag) hiding among the spergs.
@Suzu@ThotsAndOpinions@David in america free speech is in the constitution that's one of the good things about America so it would be difficult to make law on that. but they do keep trying every time. they don't need kiwi farms for that. its very simple if there is no free speech for shitbags there is no free speech for you that's why being for free speech is hard.
@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David I actually used to think like this, and I agree with the slippery slope and all that, and I was one of the people who had the opinion that kiwifarms being taken down would be a great disservice to free speech and all that shit.
But then I saw that kiwis are irredeemable shitbags, and keeping them alive will just make things worse, because if they can't take it down now, they'll use the overall shitiness of the site to push for increasingly draconinan legislation just so they are finally able to do so. Kiwifarms will become the poster boy of "this is why we need to increase legislation about cyberbullying and remove online anonimity". So it's for the best that it is nuked for good, ASAP.
@Dicer@ThotsAndOpinions@bebecool@David as I said, the tard wranglers aren't doing their job. If "doxxing is against the rules" but the members do it (and gloat about it), then the system is not working, and I'm not gonna defend them since they aren't competent enough to fix their shit.
@Suzu@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David It's funny how so many other websites who host worst shit aren't going down and are without feds. Maybe give Jersh a helping hand and do your job by protecting yourselves from bad actors.
Josh constantly emphasizes how the Farms don't allow doxxing and it's all public information yet they love to use the damn word for whatever it is they are doing.
Except they're threatening to contact my employer over my posts here, presumably to get me fired for my speech, which they find "repellant"...never mind the out of context nature of it.
@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David yeah, but see, if there is no high profile place that is a nest of shitbags, it becomes harder to justify stiffling free speech. On the other hand, with a place like KF around, it becomes harder and harder for us to justify free speech. I mean, poast is a "free speech absolutist" instance, and look at what happened there when the kiwifaggot rapefuges landed.
KF has become an hindrance to the defense of free speech, and we should push for it to disappear with the least damage possible
@Suzu@ThotsAndOpinions@David then you can push for anything you don't like to disappear and where will it stop who will make it stop there will always be a reason to make the next thing disappear
@Dicer@ThotsAndOpinions@David@Suzu and you seem to conveniently forget how does societies worked. you would only say such a thing because you still have it.
@bebecool@Suzu@ThotsAndOpinions@David Free speech didn't need to exist for previous societies to function, soo.. I kinda don't give a shit about free speech, it's just gay secondary principles that get trampled all over in the game of power.
@David@ThotsAndOpinions@SuccuCirno@Suzu i don't know the exact context but i think contacting someone's employer is gay and weak. i don't respect anybody that has to stoop so low because they don't like something.
@Suzu@ThotsAndOpinions@David people do keep bring up does suicides. where you not the one talking about glowies but apparently you just believe this. there where bigger problems then kiwifarms.
@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David some reasons are easier to push than others. Kiwifarms is an easy target to attack, and a very hard one to defend. We aren't talking about a silly place where a bunch of spergs gather to make dank memes that are too edgy for normies. We are talking about a place known by doxxing, harassment and that is, directly or indirectly, linked to at least three suicides. "Oh, but the people kf doxed/harassed deserved it", some retards may say. And then we have the same argument you gave to defend kf: who's to say they deserved it? And if they deserved it, when will it stop? Who'll be next? Who decides what targets are acceptable or unacceptable?
I'll repeat, the existence of KF is an hindrance to free speech proponents.
Bingo. This time its over drawings. Literally something that is protected by the 1st Amendment because a bunch of authoritarian shitheels hiding behind "freedom of speech" think its funny to sperg out over Gawr Gura lewds....
@David@ThotsAndOpinions@Suzu ok but are you also not sperging out. but like i said i dont know the exact context. and i have learned context maters a lot. i don't do shit i don't like and i think that's good principle to live by.
@Suzu@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David That's retarded. You can't have a site of any scale without a few people posting weird shit. That was understood for the entire history of the internet. If all the glownogs need to do to shut down a site is have some retard post a death threat there, then freedom of speech is effectively ended.
This started with DailyStormer getting hit with everything imaginable, and if people had fended the attacks off then, the internet would be in a far better state.
@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David dude, I couldn't care less if you believe in glowies, in feds killing people to make a site look bad, or MKULTRA or whatever bullshit. The point is: three people who were "documented" by kiwifarms committed suicide. If any tranny activist, journo or politician decides to make it their goal to implement draconian laws to screw over the internet and free speech and whatever, kf will be the poster boy. They'll show that the whole fucking site is dedicated to this shit, and they will show that three of the people who were being cataloged by it killed themselves. And when you defend free speech to the average person, they'll say "yeah, but look at that kiwifarms stuff, that's creepy and nasty, IDK if they should be allowed to do it", and then you'll find yourself in the position of convincing someone that actually the doxxing, stalking and harassing aren't so bad, and that the people who offed themselves were just part of some batshit insane conspiracy theory.
@Suzu@ThotsAndOpinions@David a trannie that does fart porn and tries to get minors hormones that is bad optics. but if enough retards back you all of that seemingly does not matter. so where are your optics then. its about the principle and if you cant follow that where all fucked because then it open to ban everything. i say it again that's why being for free speech is hard because its also for people you dislike. its for everybody or for nobody and if you don't get that then that principle will come back to bite you in the ass.
@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David yeah, but the point I'm trying to make here is that in the grand scheme of things, the context won't matter. People won't be nuanced. The optics of KF are pretty bad right now. Do you remember those older comedy movies where usually there is a scene where a character is left alone in a room or some other place, and then a series of very specific coincidences happens and when someone else opens the door all the furniture is broken, there is a dead parrot in the middle of the room and the character is covered in blood and seemingly fucking a cat? That's KF right now, none of its detractors want to know about or would believe in the very specific series of coincidences that caused this to happen, they just care about what they are seeing.
@David@ThotsAndOpinions@Suzu again i don't know exactly what happened. but i do know spergery happens all the time. the internet is full of spergs on every site so i don't really know why this would be different. i also never put anything up about my identity and i try to keep it that way so no names no photos nothing just accounts. i get that having your identity out there is shit and that aholls can use it against you. but they can do that anywhere.
Maybe. But the fact remains this all started because a bunch of rapefugees from KF, instead of being intelligent, started their shit here like a bunch of shit flinging baboons for the lulz. Never mind they're on the hate list of a ton of places with more power than little old us. Instead, they start drama and began alienating places that offered them a safe haven cause they're spastic retards. And they've now made more enemies cause they can't shut the fuck up, all because a bunch of newfags egged on the spergs like Jack Awful to engage in their stupid spergery.
@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David "if enough retards back you up the bad optics don't matter" And that makes those mongoloids coming to one of the last few places that still had any amount of goodwill towards them and shitting everything, burning any bridges left, a genius move.
As I said, I don't care anymore about the "freeze peach", I want them to get fucked because they deserve it, and lots of people share this sentiment.
but then don't complain when you get fucked first. who are these mystical people you keep talking about a fart porn dominatrix. hey man if that's the people you want to support good luck to you but then don't be surprised that it all blows up in your face.
no its not convenient to me. look at all these nice words you are using. and of course saying i should kill myself. and you where the one saying you believed all does kiwi suicides. if i actually was a tranny do you know how i could use that. you should know by now how stupid that was you just showed it yourself. i only need one screen shot if i was a tranny . and say some shit about how you made me kill myself. thank you very much for the illustration.
@bebecool@ThotsAndOpinions@David as I said, I don't care. I just want to see you faggots burn. You can shove your "slippery slope" rethoric up your ass, you are worse than the "cancelling trannies" you cry about, and only care about the mythical Freeze Peach when it's convenient to you.
Just rope yourself like the closeted tranny you are.
@Suzu@bebecool@David I haven't had much problem with kiwis being able to tell the difference between reality and a joke, usually it's people who call them "kiwifaggots" that do that. I think maybe their years of autistically researching people's backgrounds and cataloguing everything known about them in exacting detail on internet forums has improved their discernment abilities far above those of their detractors
@s8n@bebecool@David I feel you are wasting too much time out of sucking KF's balls to post your replies. Just go back no it, and don't forget to rim their asses too.
@s8n@bebecool@David are you aware that you are in an instance called "posting.lolicon.rocks" so by default Kiwifaggots think you are a pedo degenerate, right? But go on, suck their balls.
@Suzu@bebecool@David sites come and sites go. Usenet, SA, 4chan, 8chan, kiwifarms, the fediverse, it doesn't matter. I will always act in a manner you find objectionable and nothing I do will ever be "good optics" to you so you can cope and seethe harder
that's not the internet that's internet infrastructure. its the shit you use but don't see. well if everything works. if this is what you think is good idea then good luck keeping up your site.
@s8n@bebecool@David I'm not whinging about how fucking savage and horrible they are. I'm saying they are retarded faggots and they deserve everything that is happening and that will happen to them. For all the bullshit you were spewing before about "being able to discern things", it seems text interpretation is not your strong point. Maybe you should just shrink back to your insignificance and stop wasting my time.
@Suzu@bebecool@David keep whinging about how fucking savage and horrible the literal carebears in fucking kiwi farms are lol, maybe you should turn down the strength on your dilator
if there on post they could be anyone.like i can be anyone. josh does not control post. i find all of this a bit ridiculous. its like you don't want to understand a little concept known account anybody could be behind it and defiantly if its a new one. i could copy your account right now and say some stupid shit you would never say its that simple.
That's still irrelevant to the fact a bunch of shit stirrers, who Josh won't denounce or ban (including a bunch of newfags), came to Poast and shat all over the place for the lulz. They made enemies here when they should have been gracious in finding a refuge from Keffals brigade of troons. Why the fuck should we offer them any quarter now? Piss on Josh and piss on the KF niggerfaggot drama whores who did this.
@AmericanChampion@ThotsAndOpinions@bebecool@David again, it's not just a single retard posting death threats. It's a lot of people. The feds budget must be over the roof, because they hired a ton of dudes to glow on kf, right?
Also, don't be stupid. We aren't talking about some random user posting a threat once, we are talking of years of forum-wide activity involving doxxing, stalking and harassment. It's literally impossible to defend that thing from a free speech standpoint.
No, it's fucking trivial. For the overwhelming majority of the internet's lifespan, every single website has had fedposting. KF has been around for years with no issues. Then a literal pedophile troon pretended to be a victim and every giant corporation on the planet declared war.
the only flaw in that logic is you could be poking him just by calling him a troon it does not need very much. are you now going to watch what you say to not poke at this fart sniffer and how far are you willing to go to not poke this fart sniffer. if you concede once it will never end you will be conceding forever until you have shut your fucking moth. you can choose to do that but i fucking wont. the site you are using can be called a hate machine you even said i should kill myself you think your so different from KF but your not. and i think that's just funny shit.?
@aioi@AmericanChampion@David@ThotsAndOpinions@bebecool the guy doesn't have all that much power. He's just the current pet minority, and kiwis were retarded enough to poke him. He doesn't even need to lie much, just a pet minority showing that it was targeted by the "hate machine of kiwifarms" was sufficient for all the other powerful people that were just looking for an excuse to bring KF down to do it.
@Suzu@AmericanChampion@David@ThotsAndOpinions@bebecool I think there’s truth in both of your points, but more importantly the fact that the troon so easily gains support from very powerful people and an army of followers can’t be ignored. This guy has power with his lies
@AmericanChampion@ThotsAndOpinions@bebecool@David >KF has been around for ages with no issues No, it hasn't. KF has already been testing the limits of the patience of everyone for a very long time. The tranny was just the excuse they needed to take you down.
i don't know if you have used the the internet before but its full of shit stirrers. you where talking about poast before full of shit stirrers that's kind of what makes it fun. and if you don't want that what on earth will you use then. you could not even go to twitter or :2643_god_why: facebook. and lets just be honest here you are a shit stirrer yourself. is this one of does its only bad when i don't like it.
@bebecool@AmericanChampion@ThotsAndOpinions@David The hole in your argument is that there are, right now, at least one thread in KF with kiwi users, including a mod, who were egging on the shit stirrers. Those are all KF users, stirring shit to get updoots in KF. You can't have that and then come here and say "no guys, see, those are just glowies trying to make KF look bad and josh has no control over it".
you are still trying to defend this conflicting shit you want. take down the bad sites i don't like. but of course we could never become the bad site someone does not like. why just because i said so. i would never tell someone to kill themself or say mean words that can be used against me to take down my site. im just that kind of guy with sunshine and rainbows.
@SecularBlasphemy@AmericanChampion@ThotsAndOpinions@bebecool@David KF is a doxxing forum with a side of targeted harassment campaigns. There aren't many other sides in the internet that have this combo, I guess the "lion's share of websites" can rest at ease. But if we say that, you start moving the goalposts and "akchually" the meaning of "doxxing" and "harassment", until you fall back to the "huuuuhhhhh, but it's not illegal". The point is that, illegal or not, you guys made a ton of enemies, and a lot of people got fed up with you, and now you are getting bent over and ass raped. Repeatedly. And the train will never stop.
@AmericanChampion@Suzu@ThotsAndOpinions@bebecool@David They always keep the descriptions of KF's content minimal for a reason -- "Obscene" "Disturbing" "Dangerous" -- because if they described it at all, they'd have people coming for the lion's share of their websites.
@bebecool@AmericanChampion@ThotsAndOpinions@David@aioi you are so delusional that you think someone saying "tranny" or that you should kill yourself is the same as having a dedicated forum thread about someone with all the info on a person gathered and a bunch of spastics circlejerking around it in a targeted harassment campaign.
@bebecool@AmericanChampion@ThotsAndOpinions@David so now you're falling back to "oh, sure, I mean, maybe kiwis came here and started pooping everywhere, but everyone does a little bit of this on the internet, right, ha ha..." Let's add "moving goalposts" to the list of things that make you just like the trannies you hate.
targeted harassment campaign. where have i heard that one before. you really do sound like twitter user next your going to talk about misogyny and how you don't want to see this in your mentions. no wonder you like the fart dominatrix so much do you also want to ratio someone to get attention.
how is that moving the goalposts. you said this exactly. it shows how you sound exactly like the troons you say the exact same shit the exact same words. i find that funny.
you make to much assumptions. i was already here when you did not even know what the Fediverse was. when the software you are using did not even exist.
thats exactly what someone who is trying to hard would say. if your not trying so hard you dont need to say it ? . if its so easy to mock you would just mock hehe? :02_bounce_blush: :02_dance: :02_dab:
The fact remains that a select group of KFaggots carried out a targeted harassment campaign against Poast and Josh did fuck all, including NOT disavowing the fuckers that did it or shutting down the relevant threads and chastising the shitbags for being ungrateful mongoloids. Josh made his bed, now he gets to sleep in it. He's running out of people willing to defend him cause he's being a monumental shitstain.