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   Paul McAleer (paulmcaleer@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 22:42:43 JST Paul McAleer

   • Thomas 🔭🕹️

   @thomasfuchs Great timing on this. I was quietly mad earlier because a website I was using required me to install a Chrome extension to take advantage of everything it offers. Just... can we not do this

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     young man yells at the cloud (bamboombibbitybop@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 23:24:49 JST young man yells at the cloud

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs GUIs were a mistake. Name a single command line tool wirh advertisements or DRM.

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     Word of Mouth (notroot@bostonsocial.online)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 23:24:58 JST Word of Mouth

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io I don't know why more people don't just switch to Firefox. I haven't used Chrome as my main browser in close to a decade.
     
     It's not hard. Nobody's forcing anyone to use Chrome.

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     Donald Ball (donaldball@triangletoot.party)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 23:32:04 JST Donald Ball

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️
     • Wolven

     @thomasfuchs @Wolven Search/ads, GSuite, GCP, and Android make sense as a starter.

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     Malinux (malin@linuxrocks.online)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 00:21:32 JST Malinux

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs The last breakups helped MS start, so I'm not sure that breakups work.

     If governments want to get involved, they could stick Linux in schools, making it the default for a generation, and make sure their requirements are open.

     All school coursework, websites, info on local utilities, et c., could work according to general browser specs, and that could establish those specs as a default.

     They might also give some funding to open browser development.

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     Malinux (malin@linuxrocks.online)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 00:25:30 JST Malinux

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs If countries don't do it, then I'm not sure it actually works.

     Like, 'just learn to code and get a high-paying job' is bad advice because it doesn't work.

     "But if you actually did it, then it would work" is true, but the advice is still bad, because it still doesn't work to solve most people's financial problems.

     As to why breakups don't work, I'd assume lobbying plays a part.

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     the_curiostech (the_curiostech@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 01:37:48 JST the_curiostech

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs right! Firefox is the only browser I like using. Is opera still going? Has it moved it the chromium backend as well?

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     CurrentBias (currentbias@open-source-eschaton.net)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 01:51:13 JST CurrentBias

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs someone could buy a controlling amount of shares in each resulting company and make sure they collude

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     Berkubernetus (fuzzychef@m6n.io)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 04:36:37 JST Berkubernetus

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Sigh.

     I can remember when FireFox was 70% of the market.

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     Eric Newport (kethinov@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 06:51:34 JST Eric Newport

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I see people say this a lot but I genuinely do not understand this argument. I agree that antitrust action should be taken against Google for a long list of reasons (search especially), but Chrome seems like a stretch of a reason. It's an open source browser. Anyone can fork it and make a competitor instantly, unlike MS with IE. How can it be a monopoly? If anything, Safari on iOS is the modern monopoly browser since Apple doesn't permit competitors to even exist on the platform.

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     Eric Newport (kethinov@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 11:15:35 JST Eric Newport

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I think whether it's open source makes all the difference. The fact that anyone can fork Chrome and ship an identical browser would seem to be incredibly relevant to the question of whether unfair competition is taking place. If Linux had 99% of desktop market share, would that be a monopoly too?

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     Stu (tehstu@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 11:16:17 JST Stu

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Yeah. I use Firefox out of principle and just stopped caring if sites don't support it.

     I seem to have better luck than other folks though, almost all sites are fine. My bank's site failed to open on latest Arm64 Linux Firefox the other day, but that's generally the exception.

     Carve up Google ASAP.

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     Jeff Sheets (jeffsheets@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jul-2023 12:20:39 JST Jeff Sheets

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs using Firefox as my daily driver, I’d have to agree. There’s maybe once a week or more I have to switch to Chrome for a site to work. 👀 looking straight at you Threads.net (I do wish passkeys worked in FF tho…)