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   niconiconi (niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 11:08:14 JST niconiconi

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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 11:08:13 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 11:11:26 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @niconiconi (sauce: https://web.archive.org/web/20151216042005/http://aiju.de/rant/cross-compiling )
     fuck you autotools; fuck you.jpg
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 11:57:47 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @niconiconi Well yeah because it's not one, you always need to recompile a whole bunch of crap.
     
     clang, cproc, go, Plan9 Compilers, … do it so much better.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 11:57:48 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @lanodan @niconiconi gcc is worst cross-compiler.
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 12:05:15 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @p @niconiconi this pic needs to glow in the dark
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 13:03:33 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @niconiconi LLVM/Clang can be built all of it's supported architectures at once (default behavior on gentoo AFAIK), which is pretty great for freestanding executables.
     I haven't tried to mess with cross-compiling OS executables with it so far though but I expect it to be nearly just kernel headers + libc of choice without having a bunch of stages to get a compiler for a triple like done with crossdev/buildroot/yocto/…
     
     btw cross-compiling C/C++ stuff is something Zig (LLVM-based) got pretty well known for.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 13:03:34 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @lanodan @niconiconi clang doesn't seem to do a much better job than gcc but maybe they have improved it or I missed something.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 13:44:37 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     > LLVM/Clang can be built all of it's supported architectures at once
     
     Holy shit, excellent. Why do people bother with gcc for ARM stuff still, then? Just momentum or is LLVM's ARM codegen still even worse than gcc's?
     
     > without having a bunch of stages to get a compiler for a triple like done with crossdev/buildroot/yocto/…
     
     :alexjonesdemons:
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 13:49:55 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @niconiconi I think it's pretty much momentum due to the absolute lack of tools but I haven't benchmarked between GCC and LLVM (heck I barely have any non-amd64 machine, basically because ARM sucks as a platform on many layers).
     
     At least for ARM I'd expect things to be decent if not better given that Apple is AFAIK stuck to LLVM/Clang due to gcc's relicensing to GPL-3+ and Google also favors it.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:49:03 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @niconiconi Yeah, I shot them a crowdsupply question-form actually because their kernel isn't mainline yet, plus power-consumption question because 160W D-TDP cooling fan is pretty damn high but the CPU's TDP isn't documented.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:49:04 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @lanodan @niconiconi
     
     > basically because ARM sucks as a platform on many layers
     
     This might be of interest to you, or at least it was to me: https://liliputing.com/milk-v-pioneer-is-a-64-core-risc-v-workstation-for-1199-and-up-crowdfunding/
     
     I still love ARM but now that RISC-V is silicon instead of fanfic, my interest has increased exponentially.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:50:03 JST iced depresso

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     @p @niconiconi @lanodan :comfypeek: j-core
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:54:15 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Pyrrho @p @niconiconi Cold war mentality be damned, Russian stuff would be likely the closest to local for me…
     (tfw ST Microelectronics used to be in my city)
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     Pyrrho (pyrrho@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:54:16 JST Pyrrho

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     @p @lanodan @niconiconi
     I made a post about RISC-V a while ago, about how China lets its citizens relicense GPL code, and how RISC-V will be no different.
     
     I still think it's cool, but I don't want it enough to support harming the west. Same reason I still buy Intel; I want fabs here.
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     Abhiseck Paira :gnu: (redstarfish@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 21:06:05 JST Abhiseck Paira :gnu:

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     free software with source code? Access to the source code is a precondition of being free software.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 21:14:04 JST 翠星石

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     @Pyrrho >about how China lets its citizens relicense GPL code
     China does *not* allow its citizens to relicense any copyrighted work, considering that they are members of the Berne convention and other copyright conventions.
     
     The Chinese government just has little interest in enforcing copyright law for works from other countries unless it makes them look bad.
     
     All licenses of the GPL family have no restrictions on using the software - the terms only kick in when it comes to distribution.
     
     >I still buy Intel; I want fabs here.
     Why on earth would you buy CPUs that don't init without proprietary software that has a digital signature to prevent such malware from being replaced?
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 23:10:15 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     > I made a post about RISC-V a while ago, about how China lets its citizens relicense GPL code, and how RISC-V will be no different.
     
     Yeah, they're not big on following copyright law. (I'm not either.) I don't think there's much licensing encumbrance with RISC-V, though and if you make some sort of proprietary extension to RISC-V, what's it get you? It's an ISA. You'd have to ship chips that have the extension, and ship enough of them that the extension matters enough to alter the compilers to take advantage of it, etc. It's not like shipping a set-top box with no kernel source: attempting an ISA extension doesn't have legs.
     
     I don't really like the ISA but a lot of my objections were related to no one actually using it. I actually love ARM (the ISA and the chips, not the company).
     
     > I still think it's cool, but I don't want it enough to support harming the west. Same reason I still buy Intel; I want fabs here.
     
     Intel is "harming the west" if we're going to introduce broad social concerns into hardware discussions. They're the Microsoft of chipfab: maximum proprietary lockdown, NSA backdoors, suing competitors into the ground if they can't win, suing them into the ground even when they could win, then doing the same shit they sued to prevent. Unfortunately, there are no good chip companies. Sam Zeloof is doing home chipfab ( http://sam.zeloof.xyz/category/semiconductor/ ): you could do that, or you could start up your own company and sell chips, or you could buy chips from Satan. I'm not happy about it, but I'm running with the devil for now.
     
     But that's a completely different discussion from cross-compilers and ISAs and "Hey, look, here's a new thing using the weird chip, someone's attempting to make a giant workstation." I think, in general, it's worse for society to make more conversations about broader social concerns or politics. Too much stuff is about broader social concerns and politics.
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