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Mike Stone (mike@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:26:32 JST Mike Stone
@hyde Limited, which doesn't really silence an account. Anybody can still follow it. It just gives them a warning first and posts don't show up in public timelines. Since he's a remote user, that would only have been the federated timeline anyway. His posts still would have shown up in the Home feeds of any followers he had on Fosstodon.
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:26:28 JST Aral Balkan
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  @JoshStrobl @mike @hyde @kev They admitted I’d been “limited” (silenced) for six months. No reason given.
  Ironically, I’d never been shadow-banned on Twitter. Took a mini-Zuckerberg power trip on the fediverse for that to happen.
  
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  Joshua Strobl (joshstrobl@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:26:29 JST Joshua Strobl
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  @mike @hyde @kev @aral That was not the case. Aral was replying and mentioning me, I did not see their posts. I went to their profile, they were not muted or blocked, rather it presented the screen that I took a screenshot of above. 🤔
  Once I followed them, I was able to see their replies and their profile again.
  
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  Mike Stone (mike@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:26:30 JST Mike Stone
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  @JoshStrobl Even if their account is limited, they'd still be able to respond to your posts, and you'd still be able to see it.
  @hyde @kev @aral
  
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  Joshua Strobl (joshstrobl@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:26:31 JST Joshua Strobl
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  @mike @hyde @kev @aral I mean, if the person is trying to respond to something I'm saying and I don't have them blocked or muted, I should be able to see it. Otherwise, their voice is effectively being silenced. We can label it whatever we like, but that is the impact it has on the person.
  You can likely make an argument for outright blocking some of the known havens / instances for racist and other vile stuff, but we start getting into a slippery slope pretty quick.
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 17:37:09 JST Aral Balkan
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  @mike @JoshStrobl @hyde @kev Can you please show me to posts where I “verbally assaulted” members of your server. I’d love to have the context and the actual posts instead of a vague accusation.
  
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  Mike Stone (mike@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 17:37:10 JST Mike Stone
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  @JoshStrobl He verbally attacked other people, some members of the Fosstodon community. I wasn't the one that limited the account, but I do believe that the fact that he is a FOSS advocate that's fairly well known is the reason the account wasn't just blocked entirely. The fact that he's a FOSS advocate doesn't give him a get out of jail free card.
  @hyde @kev @aral
  
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  Joshua Strobl (joshstrobl@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 17:37:11 JST Joshua Strobl
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  @mike @hyde @kev @aral
  Yes, that is what I am trying to get at. Why was he limited in the first place? I get that you are under no obligation to actually communicate the reasons behind your administration. Your house, your rules after all. But is someone that has been advocating for open source and open platforms since 2013 / 2014 (at least first time I heard of him with Indie) really the sort of person that deserves to be "limited"?
  
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  Mike Stone (mike@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 17:37:12 JST Mike Stone
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  @JoshStrobl That's because you weren't following him.
  @hyde @kev @aral
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 21:35:43 JST Aral Balkan
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  @kev @mike @JoshStrobl @hyde The irony being that your instance, in addition to its “no advocacy” and “don’t talk publicly about controversial issues” rules also has a “no tone policing” rule.
  But you know what, people know what’s what.
  Here’s someone I don’t believe I know personally who sees things exactly as they are:
  https://social.tchncs.de/@frankiesaxx/110706412209807434
  
  1/2
  
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  Kev Quirk (kev@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 21:35:44 JST Kev Quirk
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  @aral you're rude to people on the regular. Your posts are littered with obnoxious comments to a variety of people; that's probably why you were limited. Being an advocate doesn't give you carte blanche to be a dick to people.
  Not gonna provide specific examples as that won't be productive, and would only result in further "debate". I'm sure we all have more interesting things to be doing; I know I do.
  Speaking of which...
  @mike @JoshStrobl @hyde
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 21:36:52 JST Aral Balkan
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  @kev @mike @JoshStrobl @hyde And you still agbe
  I’m off on for a few days for a wedding. Will deal with this properly when I’m back. You’re doing free software a disservice by attempting to gentrify it and by silencing folks who advocate for human rights and democracy. It’s your instance, you’re allowed to do that. But people are also allowed to know about it and decide whether they want to be limited by your world view.
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 21:39:20 JST Aral Balkan
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  @kev @mike @JoshStrobl @hyde (And you still haven’t provided posts or context. Just accusations of “verbally attacked” and “are rude to”. It says something when Twitter’s moderation actually does a better job of informing someone why exactly an action has been taken.)
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 21:44:56 JST Aral Balkan
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  @shadowdancer Thanks :) 💕
  
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  shadowdancer (shadowdancer@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 21:44:57 JST shadowdancer
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  @aral @kev @mike @JoshStrobl @hyde happy wedding Aral! Your wedding is much more important than #fedora or #mastodon or #socialmedia in general
  
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