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    controlfreak (controlfreak@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 00:52:05 JST controlfreak controlfreak

    Wild couple of days. Bottom line is who cares. Be excellent to each other and there will still be a way to do so when Meta and Mastodon Inc finish ruining the current iteration.

    So many talking heads and admins doubling down on "wait and see", name calling other admins and calling "kneejerk" the absolute correct side of history approach of Fuck Meta to the moon instablock.

    There is NO argument about CAN or IF. Anyone including Meta can make make an ActivityPub platform. However, the fediverse is under no obligation to provide bad faith actors with proven dangerous and violent behaviour white glove service to our data and lives or even offer a "benefit of the doubt". Thousands are here specifically to not feed that machine.

    It's also not kneejerk for strong negative response tp shady doings because even a brief window of allowing a presence like Meta to slurp our transitive boosts et al is a real and viable threat to health and safety based on absolutely repeated operating procedures of corpos, Meta specifically.

    Yes bad faith actors appear all the time, sometimes the fedi manage to run them off. Are there still bad faith actors slurping and scraping and planting bots and moles, you bet, acknowledged. But again the fediverse is under zero obligation to throw hands in the air and say ahh whatves someone is gonna do it anyway let's give the keys to the kingdom to the biggest worst possible bad actors because whatevs and growth...

    A preemptive block approach and not wanting to be a complicit cog in the Meta wheel of aggression and violence who have horrible history of supporting multiple genocides, ratting out to brutal states women seeking reproductive care, beneficiaries and poor folk, activists and community leaders, dissenting voices, and so so much more, is also not kneejerk, it's actually level headed, compassionate, and human.

    Less about direct safety and a very real note. The entry of a player like Meta even if only a million or 10 million join their new platform quickly equals a 2x - 10x force multiplier on active fedi traffic. Mastodon and some derivatives are so piss poor at managing spikes in traffic and are super bloated in the back-end for processing relational traffic and storage. That's a recipe for speed run of the three Es.

    This is class war as this will be a serious strain on servers that make the bad decision to federate with Meta, and it will preclude small servers from really being able to afford to operate.

    For those that can scale infra costs even if not federated, the knock-on effect of backed up queues on other servers that may be Meta federated willingly or unknowingly is gonna be an unprecedented traffic jam of blown message queues, server hangs and outages. Right now when massoc has an onboarding burst or a burp, hiccup, blown update, outage or anything that backs up the queues, the entire fedi feels the pain and strain and has to bear real COSTS of admin, mod, sysadm, infra scale and $$$ to accomodate, image that at 2,10,20x power. Yikes. Again, the wider fedi (which is NOT Gargamel's Mastodon) is under no obligation to just shut up and take this because "growth".

    It doesn't matter who was in an NDA meeting, it's bad faith all around, absolutely antithetical to historical fediquette, and you deserve backlash if you take the position of "wait and see" and "benefit of the doubt" for a bucket of shit like Meta who while weakened and desperate for some new angles to farm and sell content and people, still have the power to completely over-run directly or indirectly, technically or litigiously, and absolutely fiscally to play the long game and muscle out, fracture or island. Meta have nothing to lose and only more data and agency theft to gain. There can be no delusion they will operate an invasion of this scale with an absolutely alien set of ethics to their proven record.

    Talking heads be warned, it is NOT a bad thing if massoc and Meta and Truth and a handful of admins who hate people become Fedi2 Electric Boogaloo. Who cares. Growth for growths sake is a capitalist scam and it's not really fracturing. If the dust settles on a human-centric anti corporate OG fedi with a whitelist and a charter that values safety and agency over volume and hate, that isn't an own by "unavoidable growth" players nor is it an L for the verse, that is humans being decent.

    It is important to note that anyone even kinda siding with Mastodon, Meta and "wait and see" or "benefit of the doubt" should expect flack given the steady and incremental slimy centralising bullshit Mastodon Inc has undertaken under the guise of "easy onboarding" which always seemed like precursors to monetisation or overpowering the network with monolithic server populations.

    Mastodon the company was already well on their way to being an island like Truth. That's not great for the many swindled users who had no idea mainly due to false narratives and slimy onboarding based on owning the public image. Sucks they have not experienced the joy of a lively and supportive home feed.

    It is imperative to make the Meta platform an island straight away and work to mitigate the ripple effects on the wider fedi that will exhaust and overrun the small-medium operators that make the fedi weird and wonderful for users who love real engagement and a place devoid of overt corporate interference. That isn't anti growth or kneejerk, it's fucking pro human.

    #Metablock #faceblock #meta #nda #drama #Facebook #Meta #Project92

    keep fedi weird. fuck influencer culture. fuck vapid growth and non-interactive firehose culture. fuck Mastodon. fuck Meta. respect agency. celebrate non-violence. embrace usable, useful and empathy filled home feeds!

    In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 00:52:05 JST from hackers.town permalink

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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 00:52:04 JST feld feld
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      > However, the fediverse is under no obligation to provide bad faith actors with proven dangerous and violent behaviour white glove service to our data

      What violent acts has Meta done?

      Also, don't post publicly if you don't want it to be viewable to the public. Getting tired of beating this dead horse... 🥱
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 00:52:04 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:06:41 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      Did they shoot or stab someone? Assault? Did some representative or agent of Meta bully someone into suicide?
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:06:41 JST permalink
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      Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:06:43 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
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      • feld

      @feld @controlfreak "What violent acts has Meta done?"

      Is this a joke question?

      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:06:43 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:11:20 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • feld
      "Meta does not manage their platforms in such a way as to effectively prevent people from using their platform to direct abuse and harassment towards vulnerable groups" is not even remotely the same as "Meta is violent"
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:11:20 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:55:36 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • Toni Aittoniemi
      That doesn't make any sense. Federating with Meta does not mean you receive every post for every user on Meta.

      By that logic you couldn't run Pleroma on Raspberry Pi and federate with Mastodon.social
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:55:36 JST permalink
      Seahorses are horses likes this.
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      Toni Aittoniemi (gimulnautti@mastodon.green)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:55:37 JST Toni Aittoniemi Toni Aittoniemi
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • feld

      @Natanox @feld @controlfreak second that!

      What is it about: ”can’t afford to run servers that federate with Meta” does the asker not get?

      The choice to federate with Meta is a death sentence for any hobbyist who runs their own server. It’ll just sink under the load.

      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 01:55:37 JST permalink
      Alex Gleason repeated this.
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:05:09 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • Toni Aittoniemi
      The worse case scenario is you interact with someone that has a huge audience there and their followers interact with that post and now you get swarmed with thousands of new Fediverse accounts that your instance needs to learn
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:05:09 JST permalink
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      Toni Aittoniemi (gimulnautti@mastodon.green)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:05:10 JST Toni Aittoniemi Toni Aittoniemi
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • feld

      @feld @Natanox @controlfreak Sure, as long as your users don’t follow a lot of content there.

      Federated feed is the sum of all posts the users on your instance follow. Which is the load you have to deal with.

      Actually I think I ran into some temporary insanity there. You’re correct. It doesn’t make any sense.

      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:05:10 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:12:14 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • Toni Aittoniemi
      Relays will struggle as the Fediverse grows in general
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:12:14 JST permalink
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      Toni Aittoniemi (gimulnautti@mastodon.green)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:12:15 JST Toni Aittoniemi Toni Aittoniemi
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • feld

      @feld @Natanox @controlfreak I guess the problem I was afraid would still affect relay servers though?

      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:12:15 JST permalink
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      PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:12:51 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art) PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • feld
      The only violent act I know Meta has "done" was when the NZ shooter and other terrorists used it. FB also said that nobody reported the livestream until at least 30 minutes after it had ended, and made a good faith effort to remove reuploads.

      Otherwise it's going into the shady zone of "words are violence".
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:12:51 JST permalink
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      controlfreak (controlfreak@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:42:22 JST controlfreak controlfreak
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      • feld
      • Mossad-Ultrá Oliver 📟

      @oliver @feld not true. It's the gmail paradox, even if you dont use it, others do and your content is stolen and sold on that end of the transaction.

      Same for meta instances, unless you go fully allow list, if you federate with a server that federates with a meta instance, you are exposed. Blocks are not sufficent to protect users from transient scraping.

      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:42:22 JST permalink
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      Mossad-Ultrá Oliver 📟 (oliver@die-partei.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:42:23 JST Mossad-Ultrá Oliver 📟 Mossad-Ultrá Oliver 📟
      in reply to
      • feld

      @feld @controlfreak It seems to be the case anyway that Meta only federates with an exclusive club. So most of it is inevitably kept away from Meta.

      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:42:23 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:12:14 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • autism :verified:
      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
      Other than the algorithm being designed for engagement which basically antagonizes people into being dickheads, Facebook's biggest offense is their operating in countries and cultures with languages they do not have on-staff expertise with. The content moderation is generally outsourced to private companies anyway.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:12:14 JST permalink
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      autism :verified: (jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:12:15 JST autism :verified: autism :verified:
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • feld
      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
      @Natanox @feld @controlfreak @PurpCat if that is the frame you are interpreting the world you truly need to touch grass like holy fuck.
      believe it or not, wanting moral continuity and good faith discussions is not the same as siding with the war machine. quite the inverse. it's sad just how programmed to hate some people online are, all some are able to see is an enemy behind every post.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:12:15 JST permalink
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      Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:12:16 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
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      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

      @jeff @feld @controlfreak @PurpCat It never fails to impress me how some people are able to sentence big corporations free of guilt despite them *obviously* not just profiting from it, but even supporting and prolonging a problem to maximize financial profits.

      Like... we all know how Meta operates. Almost all news reported about the war crimes that are directly linked to Facebook. About Cambridge Analytica. How they foster hate which, ultimatively, results in deaths of innocent lives. Wtf.

      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:12:16 JST permalink
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      autism :verified: (jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:12:17 JST autism :verified: autism :verified:
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • feld
      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
      @PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak words are violent and damgerous because you can change people's minds with them, guns can never do that.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:12:17 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:26:15 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • feld
      • autism :verified:
      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
      Growing engagement is always required when your business model is to sell ads they'll see while engaging. Violating your privacy and collecting user data is helpful in this endeavor, but not required. Even if we fixed the privacy laws, the advertisements are going to be protected under free speech laws.

      Ban these algorithms when left uncontrolled and without platforms moderating and being financially responsible for ~stuff? I'm not sure we have the political will to take it on like we did with the tobacco industry.

      If we did? They'd pull a Phillip Morris and continue doing extremely evil behavior outside the USA.

      This demon will never be defeated, but with some public awareness we can manage the damage. If we are to make any successful progress at all we need to be very level headed. Or pray we can crash the economy hard enough to kill these giants
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:26:15 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 07:49:58 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      They're not the *cause* of the war crimes; you can't even commit war crimes on the internet (except with Javascript, amirite?).

      Their platform may have been used by war criminals to efficiently fomented hatred that was used by said criminals to justify their war crimes. If Facebook did not operate in that country, who would have filled that vacuum? Are we to believe somehow they'd have handled it better? If it was in e.g., Myanmar the Myanmar military would have forced that company to let them do their crazy. No American social media company would have done better. Honestly I think a Chinese social media network would have been able to handle it, but then again China has interests in keeping Myanmar under their thumb so...

      If Facebook/Meta is really guilty of war crimes: let's see Zuck be called to the ICC. Happy to see them held accountable.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 07:49:58 JST permalink
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      Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 07:49:59 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
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      • feld

      @feld @controlfreak They're the cause for war crimes in multiple countries, are proven to boost social problems through their algorithm as it generates more revenue through attention management in general and - yeah - in addition to that they're asshats.

      Does that count?

      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 07:49:59 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:03 JST feld feld
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      • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
      • autism :verified:
      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
      • Official Foxdick Farms
      The future is sodium-ion batteries and CATL already has them
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:03 JST permalink
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      autism :verified: (jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:04 JST autism :verified: autism :verified:
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      • feld
      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
      • Official Foxdick Farms
      @PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak @officialfoxdickfarms that green in green tech refers to the color of the waste water runoff from lithium strip mining.

      gotta love those giant money making pools of liquid green tech. i love watching the environmentalism grifters who promote this shit talk all high and might to the filthy wood stove burning self sufficient serfs who live off the grid with a net negative environmental damage footprint. nimbyist political tokenism never looked better than it does today.



      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:04 JST permalink

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      PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:05 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art) PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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      • Official Foxdick Farms
      Why not both.gif

      Literally look at lithium mines. Look at the startups trying to get rich off making batteries or green dollars. Look at the greenwashing companies like Tesla do as they mine the fuck out of the world for lithium. Who is getting rich off EVs and investors? It's battery makers and the like.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:05 JST permalink
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      Official Foxdick Farms (officialfoxdickfarms@sneed.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:06 JST Official Foxdick Farms Official Foxdick Farms
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      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
      @PurpCat @feld @Natanox @jeff @controlfreak

      It's not about replacing big oil.

      It's about restricting movement.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:06 JST permalink
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      PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:07 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art) PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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      • autism :verified:
      I heard that the EV stuff is also being pushed so hard because one group wants to replace Big Oil while doing the same shit as big oil.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:07 JST permalink
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      autism :verified: (jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:08 JST autism :verified: autism :verified:
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      • feld
      • PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
      @PurpCat @feld @Natanox @controlfreak regulatory capture is the darndest thing
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:08 JST permalink
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      PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:09 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art) PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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      • autism :verified:
      They'll still do it in the USA too. The whole anti-vaping stuff is being astroturfed by big tobacco when you dig deep enough.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Jun-2023 21:39:09 JST permalink

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