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   iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:17:44 JST iced depresso
   bring back hypercard
   yes including the silly weird programming language
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     @icedquinn Decker does it with a different silly weird programming language but 1:1 would be cool too
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:17:49 JST iced depresso

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     @errante @allison hypertalk is somewhat goofy. i don't even particularly :bunhdheart: it, it's just that its from the age when programming tools where user friendly. C hadn't mindfucked the planet yet. so many careers were launched by Director and Multimedia Fusion :cirno_for_reals:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:17:50 JST iced depresso

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     @errante @allison https://beyondloom.com/decker/lil.html i guess i'll throw this at the end of the reading list. its about vidya time :blobcatgamer:
     
     i did re-read on Ring lately. that language is. i just don't even.
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     errante (errante@rot.gives)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:17:51 JST errante

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     @icedquinn @allison its an array lang mixed with lua mixed with hypercard
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:17:52 JST iced depresso

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     @allison :blobcatwhatsthis: whats this
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     :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:17:57 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     @icedquinn @thgs You're getting your Apple cancellations mixed up. OpenDoc was cancelled bc of technical problems and ISV pressure, while HyperCard was killed purely because it was a technological dead end that would have needed a total rewrite to remain functional let alone gain niceties like out of the box color support and as with all Apple proposed rewrites for user programs in the 90s, the leading proposal was "shove all the functionality into QuickTime and rebase off of that", which Jobs wasn't going to have for obvious reasons (QuickTime was, is, and always will be probably the most needlessly byzantine and cursed artifact Apple has ever produced)
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:17:58 JST iced depresso

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     @allison @thgs hypercard was killed by apple because it was making ISVs butthurt. or something. it democratized smol apps so hard that it was apparently killing the software market.
     
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     @thgs @icedquinn Pretty sure the RAD stuff in VB and Delphi was more directly copied from Interface Builder since Gates was scared shitless of NeXT at the time
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     thgs (thgs@phpc.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:18:00 JST thgs

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     @icedquinn @allison

     is that what they copied when they made visual basic? Looks like a predecessor to me

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:18:02 JST iced depresso

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     @allison @thgs they did have hypercards with color, but they tried to sell them. supposedly their original agreement was that hypercard was supposed to be free and this is why the devs were mad and put in secret buttons you could press to bypass the serial number check.
     
     once it got pay gated it sorta... people cared less.
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     @icedquinn https://beyondloom.com/decker/ Forth and K permacomputing shill decides to remake HyperCard from first principles
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     @errante @icedquinn Same but I was explaining the background of the author, not the language itself.
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     errante (errante@rot.gives)'s status on Friday, 23-Jun-2023 03:18:07 JST errante

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     @allison @icedquinn decker lang doesnt have much forth vibe 2 me