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   Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 07:51:32 JST Aurynn Shaw

   people who are opining that Facebook joining the fedi is okay didn't live through Google killing XMPP. Or anything Microsoft ever did.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 10:27:21 JST feld

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     XMPP is far from dead though, it's just not very active federated ecosystem.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:17:49 JST silverwizard

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     • feld
     @feld @aurynn the fact that XMPP is starting to recovery is great. But when people say it was killed, they are referring to its community.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 06:04:16 JST feld

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     • silverwizard
     The idea that there was a community that disappeared is a myth. The same one that always existed is there: the people who really want to use XMPP federation are still using it. People are just mad that a wall went up between them and their non-tech friends and family at Google and Facebook.
     
     The big federated instances like Jabber.org are still around. My account is still there since I first created it in like 2002 or whatever.
     
     But as far as XMPP usage in general goes:
     
     - ProcessOne and other companies specialize in providing XMPP expertise and make plenty of money doing it.
     - Billions of people every day benefit from XMPP being used to transmit data without their knowledge
     - lots of VOIP/SIP things end up using XMPP for the messaging transit
     - WhatsApp is XMPP
     - iMessage is XMPP
     - all push notifications on Apple and Google devices are XMPP (APNS and FCM speak XMPP)
     
     XMPP Federation was a *feature* of the protocol, not a requirement. The same can be said about ActivityPub.