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    Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:43:56 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason

    Finally found scientific proof (and a strong sense of satisfaction) that my ears have been correct: #music objectively sounds worse on streaming platforms than #vinyl.

    "The numbers in those boxes represent the measured dynamic range of an album or its individual tracks. DR is short for dynamic range. Lower numbers mean less dynamic range, higher numbers mean higher dynamic range. In terms of audio quality a higher dynamic range generally means better quality.”

    https://dr.loudness-war.info/faq

    In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:43:56 JST from layer8.space permalink

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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:58:57 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • chrishazfun

      @chrishazfun No doubt you're right, and my examples are admittedly selective...but probably a good representation.

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:58:57 JST permalink
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      chrishazfun (chrishazfun@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:58:58 JST chrishazfun chrishazfun
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      @killyourfm tbh the loudness war has tended to hit all formats through mixing choices, bandcamp flacs probably beat spotify streams by a mile though lol

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:58:58 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:59:47 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • gimulnautti

      @gimulnautti I feel like we ultimately have the iPod to blame for the loudness wars. Is that a safe assumption?

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:59:47 JST permalink
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      gimulnautti (gimulnautti@mastodontti.fi)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:59:49 JST gimulnautti gimulnautti
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      @killyourfm This is a matter of choice though, not a format question per se.

      The loudness war really did hurt all of us music-lovers. Recordings are no longer luxury items, but bulk to consume, not even own.

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 15:59:49 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 16:03:54 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • datenimperator

      @datenimperator We'll always sacrifice *something* for convenience...

      But I'm very curious about your view on "supposedly lower cost" and "ease of use."

      Something tells me I'll appreciate your take.,

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 16:03:54 JST permalink
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      datenimperator (datenimperator@social.cologne)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 16:03:55 JST datenimperator datenimperator
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      @killyourfm almost everybody is trading audio quality for unlimited supply, ease of use and supposedly lower cost. Neither of that is actually true, but still...

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 16:03:55 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 16:28:48 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • chrishazfun
      • Don Simon

      @DonSimon13 @chrishazfun thank you for so eloquently, explaining what I’ve been wanting to say

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 16:28:48 JST permalink
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      Don Simon (donsimon13@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 16:28:54 JST Don Simon Don Simon
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      • chrishazfun

      @chrishazfun @killyourfm The only difference between Bandcamp FLACs and a spotify stream should be lossless vs lossy encoding. This difference is way harder to hear than actual mastering differences between analog and digital. Even with high end headphones, I can only hear it on very specific tracks like solo piano tracks. Mastering is way more important then encoding.

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 16:28:54 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:54:38 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • J.d.B.

      @pimeys Honest question here, born from some ignorance: Could recording in analog vs digital make any difference here?

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:54:38 JST permalink
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      J.d.B. (pimeys@social.nauk.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:54:39 JST J.d.B. J.d.B.
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      @killyourfm Depends on the album. For example this one is never really gone to the red end, and even when the latest remaster is one point down compared to the vinyl, it sounds absolutely amazing from a SACD.

      https://dr.loudness-war.info/?artist=Steely+dan&album=Can%27t+buy+a+thrill
      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:54:39 JST permalink

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      albituga_ (albituga_@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 19:56:02 JST albituga_ albituga_
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      @killyourfm nothing beats a vinyl…

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 19:56:02 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 19:56:02 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • albituga_

      @albituga_ ...which is probably why the format has endured for almost 100 years!

      In conversation Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 19:56:02 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:41:06 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • Trezzer (aka Helvedeshunden)
      • gimulnautti
      • Ian McLean

      @ianmclean @trezzer @gimulnautti

      See also: the crime against music that is Foo Fighters' "One By One."

      Also, I say this as someone who considers Rick Rubin a sort of spiritual/music advisor and deeply appreciates his work: It's utterly baffling that he let Death Magnetic out the door sounding like it did.

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:41:06 JST permalink
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      Ian McLean (ianmclean@mastodon.au)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:41:20 JST Ian McLean Ian McLean
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      • Trezzer (aka Helvedeshunden)
      • gimulnautti

      @trezzer @killyourfm @gimulnautti Just to be devil's advocate here, I don't think more dynamics is always better, though it certainly got bad in the late 00s when the new Metallica and Alice in Chains LPs were brickwalled so badly they were clipping.

      I actually find some remasters to be better than the original issues for quite a few albums, in deft hands they can sound quite a lot more lively with a bit of compression, and bring out some subtleties that were lost before. That's as long as you're not just throwing a limiter at it and calling it "remastered" of course.

      A case where I really think less dynamics has been good, is when I watch older TV shows or movies. Always fun times when you're putting on an old flick and have to dime the volume because you can't hear what anyone is saying, then the music kicks in and rattles the windows!

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:41:20 JST permalink
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      Trezzer (aka Helvedeshunden) (trezzer@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:41:22 JST Trezzer (aka Helvedeshunden) Trezzer (aka Helvedeshunden)
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      • gimulnautti

      @killyourfm @gimulnautti It was wanting to stand out on radio. "Louder = better". Just like commercials would turn it up to 11, you could do the same with music once the cd format was popularized. You generally can't get away with compression to the same extent on vinyl because on a CD you just have 1 and 0 while the needle and the groove need to actually move to the extremes (try looking at a compressed sound wave and imagine having a needle track through a miniature of it).

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:41:22 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:49:00 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • J.d.B.
      • albituga_

      @albituga_ @pimeys Gives it CHARACTER! :D

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:49:00 JST permalink
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      albituga_ (albituga_@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:49:01 JST albituga_ albituga_
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      • J.d.B.

      @pimeys @killyourfm The crackles is what makes the vinyl better :clippy: :computerfairies:

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:49:01 JST permalink
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      J.d.B. (pimeys@social.nauk.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:49:02 JST J.d.B. J.d.B.
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      • albituga_
      @albituga_ @killyourfm I beg to differ. I have some SACD masters that sound better than anything. Also good old reel-to-reel tape beats any vinyl due to the better dynamics and missing the crackles.
      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 00:49:02 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 01:32:53 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • Luiz Costa

      @thenets FLAC will still sound like crap if it's not mastered and mixed properly...

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 01:32:53 JST permalink
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      Luiz Costa (thenets@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 01:32:54 JST Luiz Costa Luiz Costa
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      @killyourfm well, "better" is not something objective. Any streaming is "cleaner" than a vinyl, without cracking noises, but they are all based in lossy algorithms. This is true since the old days, with MiniDisk using ATRAC, for example.

      The goal of those algorithms is not to "be better" but instead to be indistinguishable for the majority of people and be smaller at the same time. Sometimes a person will have great ears and audio gears, for those, we have FLAC codec.

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 01:32:54 JST permalink
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      Seasons of Jason (killyourfm@layer8.space)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 01:37:33 JST Seasons of Jason Seasons of Jason
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      • Luiz Costa

      @thenets Touche!

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 01:37:33 JST permalink
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      Luiz Costa (thenets@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 01:37:34 JST Luiz Costa Luiz Costa
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      @killyourfm oh, sure. But the codec is perfect for human hearing. Any vinyl will sound like crap too without a good mastering.

      In conversation Sunday, 11-Jun-2023 01:37:34 JST permalink

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