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   myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 17:36:52 JST myrmepropagandist

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   One guy decided that if it was logical reasoning then it had to be language --even if it wasn't anything like spoken words or sign language, or math etc.

   To him things like implications, isomorphism, etc. were language. To me they are "logical reasoning"

   -- but, I'm getting far from my real point which is about LLMs.

   I think a danger in seeing language as required for intelligence is the risk of seeing anything that uses language as intelligent.

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 17:36:54 JST myrmepropagandist

     When I took a philosophy course in college I encountered a philosopher who said something like "language is required for intelligence" and we had this very frustrating debate about if it would be possible for a person to think at all without language.

     It seemed obvious to me that a person could think and reason logically without anything like language. Then we got muddled in what we meant by language and undergrads do--

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