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   Dgar (dgar@aus.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 01:06:05 JST Dgar

   Good design serves everyone.

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     sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 01:06:03 JST sj_zero

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     I feel like this design would serve to violate safety standards and result in careless wheelchairs falling down a bunch of stairs.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 01:06:08 JST clacke

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     @dgar I loved this the first time I saw it, but people who know better than me say it's actually a terrible idea.

     The ramp is not safe to navigate and if you use it you have to potentially cross a crowd over and over, inconveniencing everyone.

     A for inspiration, F for no checking at all with the people it's supposed to benefit.

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     DDR (ddr@pony.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 05:07:25 JST DDR

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     • Alina Norakari
     • clacke
     • Sven 🛌

     @alinanorakari @clacke @dgar @Sven I've been drunk there before. It works out ok for that use case, at least for me. 😅

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     Alina Norakari (alinanorakari@broken.graphics)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 05:07:26 JST Alina Norakari

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     • clacke
     • Sven 🛌

     @clacke @dgar @Sven even as a sighted able bodied person I have to say this looks like it could be disorienting in some situations, e.g. when inebriated, inattentive or in certain lighting conditions

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     Sven 🛌 (sven@mstdn.games)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 05:07:33 JST Sven 🛌

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     • clacke

     @clacke @dgar Yeah, I immediately thought about how it would be to navigate this as a wheelchair user. No guard rails, potential of crossing pedestrians plus potentially hitting the steps with your tires? Ugh, doesn't look too comfortable to navigate there.

     It has an appealing aesthetic though. Also some symbolic power of having the same infrastructure including different needs. It just ... doesn't seem very practicable. 😄

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     C͏͝h͘o̴͟r͡͞͠d̢́͟͢͝a̶͢҉t̵̢̛͞á̧ (axonpotential@tech.lgbt)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 05:08:11 JST C͏͝h͘o̴͟r͡͞͠d̢́͟͢͝a̶͢҉t̵̢̛͞á̧

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     • clacke

     @clacke @dgar Yeah just imagining myself navigating this, it looks awful. Tight turns and a winding path that's way more of a pain than a simple straight ramp parallel to the stairs. No guardrails either, so if you miscalculated you just fucking fall down the stairs.

     Sometimes practical is just boring

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     Artemis (artemis201@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 05:58:35 JST Artemis

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     @dgar this is actually often used as an example of bad design. The 180 degree turns are very difficult for wheelchair folks, and the edges without handrails make it a danger of tripping/rolling off the side and falling all the way down. Plus a lack of benches forces people to do it all in one go, which can be difficult for some. The lack of handrails also screws over low vision or blind people

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     Reboot Robotnik (drotto@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 06:00:30 JST Reboot Robotnik

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     @dgar Despite some design flaws, It's definitely a

     step

     in the right direction

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     A Shiny Blue Thing (shinybluething@dice.camp)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 06:02:30 JST A Shiny Blue Thing

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     @dgar FYI, this stair/ramp has been used by wheelie activists as an example of a less desirable, or even frankly hazardous, attempt at accessible design.

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     Cab T. Hanks (cabthanks@freiburg.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 06:02:32 JST Cab T. Hanks

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     @dgar

     There are no railings, barriers or anything to slow down the wheelchairdrivers... The stairs are ramps to flip the wheelchair on the side or let them falling down the stairs... WTF 🤔

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     Fubaroque (fubaroque@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 06:02:33 JST Fubaroque

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     @dgar I’ve encountered one of these (in Germany I think) and they are bloody awkward to use. Only doable at the sides.

     And on top of that they are dangerous when there is snow or ice. Or when you are drunk or unstable on your feet for other reasons. #baddesign

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     Dgar (dgar@aus.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 14:49:39 JST Dgar

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     • Tim Mackey 🦥
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     @Timdmackey @clacke @MikeFromLFE
     It looks like walkers could go up the sides with a rail and only a flat platform to cross. Waking down the middle of the stairs would be awkward.

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     Tim Mackey 🦥 (timdmackey@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 14:49:40 JST Tim Mackey 🦥

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     • MikeFromLFE

     @MikeFromLFE @clacke @dgar I imagine one would get used to walking on these steps, but the handful of times I’ve done it it’s always been super awkward with the ramp cutting through repeatedly and making the steps irregular. At least it looks cool I guess! lol

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     MikeFromLFE (mikefromlfe@mastodon.me.uk)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 14:49:47 JST MikeFromLFE

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     @clacke @dgar
     I was wondering if I'd be safe coming down those steps - I often can't see or judge where steps are and the lack of consistent steps could be really hazardous.

     Looks great though

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     Artemis (artemis201@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 14:50:42 JST Artemis

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     @dgar ah. The sarcasm was not clear

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     Dgar (dgar@aus.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jun-2023 14:50:45 JST Dgar

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     @Artemis201
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     I may have been using it as an example of bad design.