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   kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 17:41:14 JST kaia
   the German COVID phone app cost over 200 million EUR. development of Witcher 3 was 81 million EUR.
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     :blobcathug: (jain@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 17:46:36 JST :blobcathug:

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     @kaia :blobcatgooglypen: so it could have been the better effect when they would have created a 200 million game that would actually be good so that the people would have been at home playing the game then...
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     FlOWO 🐈 (flo@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 17:54:40 JST FlOWO 🐈

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     @kaia it's not that easy, in the 200 million are in included:
     external development
     operations
     a call center

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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 17:57:36 JST grillchen

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     @kaia lets say a dev costs 200k with taxes and offces etc. 81mio would be 400 devs for a year. or 100 for 4 years. seems reasonable tbh
     
     1000 devs for a year or better 2000 for 6 months since it needed to be done fast for the covid app. seems unreasonable til u remember it had to work on android and ios
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:51:59 JST kaia

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     @SuperDicq @lanodan
     https://social.heise.de/@heiseonline/110468051001229739
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:52:01 JST SuperDicq

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @kaia@brotka.st The Dutch app also cost around 20 million to develop which is insane considering we're a much smaller country than Germany. So we spent a lot more money per citizen.
     
     Our government also spent 4.3 million on advertising it.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:52:02 JST SuperDicq

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @kaia@brotka.st Yes, the German contact tracing app was available on Fdroid even.
     
     The Dutch contact tracing app as well.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:52:03 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @SuperDicq @kaia Was German one at least open-source?
     French one was well… open-core 🤢️ (proprietary bits for the verification side IIRC)
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:52:04 JST SuperDicq

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     @kaia@brotka.st Is there a source for this? I see reports that Germany's contact tracing app cost something closer to 20 million EUR, not 200.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:55:19 JST SuperDicq

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     @meso@asbestos.cafe @kaia@brotka.st Wait I'm doing some more reading now and 20 million is the cost of development, with monthly operation costs being 2 to 3 million euro so I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up costing 100 to 200 million euro at the end of its lifetime actually.

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     meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:55:20 JST meso

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     @SuperDicq @kaia thats still a shitload though a LOT less
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:35:43 JST SuperDicq

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     @engler@chaos.social @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @kaia@brotka.st @meso@asbestos.cafe Another thought I want to add.
     
     While you know while the development and operation costs of most contact tracing apps are definitely out of proportion I would not immediately conclude that this means that the apps were a complete failure.
     
     While hard to quantify in exact numbers these contact tracing apps have during their lifetime probably prevented hundreds of thousands of cases of COVID.
     
     And there's one thing that is definitely more expensive than incompetent government software development, which is healthcare.
     
     Maybe the 200 million euro spent on the contact tracing app has saved 300 million euro in healthcare expenses?

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     engler (engler@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:35:44 JST engler

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     @lanodan @kaia @SuperDicq Yes. https://github.com/corona-warn-app

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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 20:16:00 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @kaia@brotka.st the famous German efficiency

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     mdn (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 21:25:24 JST mdn

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     >so it could have been the better effect when they would have created a 200 million game that would actually be good
     A GPLv3 game that is, public money should produce public software :ignucius:
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     T0╳F03Æ - DM me the word ‘bread’ (t0xf03ae@snug.moe)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 21:37:47 JST T0╳F03Æ - DM me the word ‘bread’

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     @kaia@brotka.st
     
     That's why we need https://publiccode.eu/en/

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