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   Niu (niuulianov@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Monday, 29-May-2023 23:06:32 JST Niu
   which cheap amd gpu is worth it and has no probs with linux??
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 29-May-2023 23:06:30 JST 翠星石

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     @niuulianov Assuming you meant systemd/Linux - none.
     
     Any recent AMD GPU will work fine with the AMDGPU driver in Linux (with good OpenGL and Vulkan support), but that's only half of the driver - the other half is composed of proprietary malware that needs to be loaded up onto the card for the driver to work.
     
     
     For some strange reason, nvidia is better freedom wise - the nouveau driver has free firmware for most nvidia cards up to the 700 series (starting from the 900 series, there's digital handcuffs in the form of digital signatures to prevent the replacement of the proprietary malware).
     
     Under nouveau, you can get about 50% reclocking with a 780 {Ti} currently (as reclocking isn't finished - but the 780 is by any means slow even with half the performance), too bad there's no Vulkan support yet.
     
     
     https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/research/gpu
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 21:41:11 JST 翠星石

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     @niuulianov The PSP is a different topic entirely, but I'd note that achieving freedom is cryptographically impossible on AMD CPU's with a PSP unless someone was to break the digital handcuffs that prevent the replacement of the PSP's software.
     
     A fair amount of free hardware designs do exist (the issue is coupling and manufacturing), but sadly free hardware doesn't yet exist: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-hardware-designs.html
     
     Librebooted thinkpads are a good choice, as they do have a free driver for the intel integrated graphics, including a free VBIOS, but the age of such hardware is sadly showing.
     
     I've discovered that a KGPE-D16 with dual Opteron 62xx's is the way to go - although such requires a great deal of technical skill in sawing, drilling, grinding and EEPROM flashing to get such working (which I happen to have).
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     Niu (niuulianov@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 21:41:13 JST Niu

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     @Suiseiseki so all that talk about amd having full on compliancy with foss was a lie after all, too bad there's no way to get rid off that psp shit then.
     I can only find an actual listing of foss hardware here and besides the laptops, there are no "new" processors or gpus.
     guess we can only go full rms with old hardware
     https://ryf.fsf.org/products?category=All&vendor=All&sort_by=created&sort_order=DESC&page=3
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 22:33:12 JST 翠星石

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     • Johnny Peligro :cirno:
     @MischievousuTomatosu Yes, newer intel integrated graphics and intel's dedicated cards have proprietary firmware and VBIOS's, but newer Intel is impossible to libreboot, so I didn't remember to note such.
     
     I wish to purify the world of "foss" and all other proprietary degeneracy.
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     Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 22:33:13 JST Johnny Peligro :cirno:

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     @niuulianov @Suiseiseki both intel and amd and nvidia require propietary firmware. amd and intel work fine on linux if you have that installed. i dont care because im not a foss purist
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:14:05 JST 翠星石

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     • PublicLewdness
     @PublicLewdness >You can have newer hardware if you are willing to use Coreboot varients rather than old school Libreboot.
     https://libreboot.at/ is just coreboot without the proprietary malware.
     Sure coreboot supports some newer hardware that refuses to boot without proprietary malware, but why would you want that?
     
     >Depends on if that's a deal breaker.
     I don't know about you, but it's a deal breaker if a computer serves another master instead of me.
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     PublicLewdness (publiclewdness@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:14:06 JST PublicLewdness

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     @niuulianov @Suiseiseki
     
     You can have newer hardware if you are willing to use Coreboot varients rather than old school Libreboot. Depends on if that's a deal breaker. Other option is a Talos II which will be $6000-10000.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 12:34:04 JST 翠星石

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     @PublicLewdness >One truth is that eventually hardware that works with old school Libreboot is not going to be able to be found. What then?
     Such hardware was made in the millions and is usually repairable, so we've still got quite a while.
     
     After that, hopefully a big and fast enough FGPA that can be programmed in freedom will be available and then we can just write GNU/SoC and use that.
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     PublicLewdness (publiclewdness@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 12:34:05 JST PublicLewdness

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     @Suiseiseki
     
     I'm not saying i'm disagreeing with you but I was responding to the notion that you can't have newer hardware. I was simply sayig that you can depending on what you're willing to give up. Everybody has different lines in the sand. One truth is that eventually hardware that works with old school Libreboot is not going to be able to be found. What then ? Even Power10 isn't going to be as open as Power9 which means even a Talos II isn't a secure option in the long term.