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    Bread and Circuses (breadandcircuses@climatejustice.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:34 JST Bread and Circuses Bread and Circuses

    Why are so many climate scientists so scared and so angry?

    Maybe it's because they know better than most of us how bad our situation today truly is, and how horribly we've been betrayed by our so-called leaders.

    Here's an excerpt from an excellent piece on this subject by Alan Urban...
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    Even if the planet stopped getting warmer right now, we would still be in big trouble. The ice caps would keep melting and sea levels would keep rising.

    Look at what’s happening at a mere 1.2°C of warming. We’re already seeing some of the worst heat waves in human history, not to mention record-breaking floods, droughts, wildfires, and water shortages.

    But of course, warming isn’t going to stop at 1.2°C. Because of the heat we’ve already trapped in the atmosphere, and because we continue to emit huge amounts of greenhouse gases every year, the climate is warming exponentially.

    All of these climate-related crises are stretching farms to the limit, yet this is just the beginning. As crop yields decline and the population grows, we will see food insecurity get worse and worse until we’re in a global famine.

    And that right there is why climate scientists are scared. They understand that human civilization was born during the Holocene, when global temperatures were very stable and stayed within a range of about 1°C.

    As we push the planet out of that range and raise the temperature about 50 times faster than would occur naturally, it will become harder and harder to produce enough food to feed everyone, and this will lead to social instability, political upheaval, the worst migration crisis ever, and wars over resources.

    Disasters that weren’t supposed to happen until we reached 1.5°C are happening now, so we can only imagine what will happen when we hit 2° or 3°C.

    This is why top scientists from around the world are warning us that we face a ghastly future filled with untold suffering. They’ve been telling us over and over, year after year, summit after summit, that we have to stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as possible. But as you can see [below], the world keeps ignoring them.
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    FULL ARTICLE -- https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2F%40CollapseSurvival%2Ffaster-than-expected-why-climate-scientists-are-so-scared-985db6579f2e

    #Environment #Climate #ClimateChange #ClimateCrisis #ClimateEmergency #CO2 #Emissions #Capitalism

    In conversation Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:34 JST from climatejustice.social permalink

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      TobiWanKenobi (tobiwankenobi@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:27 JST TobiWanKenobi TobiWanKenobi
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      • MarkRNay
      • Yma

      @MarkRNay

      Capitalism as a principle exists for ~200 years while humans (homo sapiens) as a species exist for ~300k years. So why would you say something as insignificant on the time scale as capitalism is grounded in human nature? If you want to claim that political/economic systems can be part "of human nature," which I would counterargue, shouldn't we all live under dictatorships since for the last several dozens of thousands years that has been the prevalent system?

      @yma @breadandcircuses

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      MarkRNay (markrnay@ravenation.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:28 JST MarkRNay MarkRNay
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      • TobiWanKenobi
      • Yma

      @yma @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses we can try but capitalism is grounded in human nature and works in its predictions because it assumes the worst about us. Communism fails because it assumes the best and humanity can’t deliver

      In conversation Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:28 JST permalink
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      Yma (yma@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:31 JST Yma Yma
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      • TobiWanKenobi

      @MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses The claim that capitalism is just “human nature” is so funny. Human nature is as complex as it is malleable, and its expression under capitalism is not more authentic or complete than anything else. Besides, markets and competition can exist without capital. We actively make the world around us, and we can make it differently if we choose to.

      In conversation Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:31 JST permalink
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      TobiWanKenobi (tobiwankenobi@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:32 JST TobiWanKenobi TobiWanKenobi
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      @breadandcircuses

      All civilizations come to an end at some point. This one is on its final stretch. Mos people don't even realize just how radical the changes would need to be to fix this mess - on a global scale.

      What would be necessary across the whole world is massive De-Growth and De-Industrialization, abolition of capitalistic systems (be it democratic or authoritarian), switch to a closed-loop economy, massive renaturation/reforestation where possible, complete change in diet away from any sort of meat, etc.

      Yet, what many people believe is some sort of "Green Growth and Technology will solve it all, so we don't have to change anything," resulting in the climate crisis passing like so many other crisis did

      And since so many people hope that this dream will miraculously come true, the tragedy will take its course.

      I just feel sad for the children being born into this world these days. They haven't deserved any of this.

      In conversation Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:32 JST permalink
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      MarkRNay (markrnay@ravenation.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:32 JST MarkRNay MarkRNay
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      • TobiWanKenobi

      @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses why are you convinced that the only future MUST involve giving up capitalism? That is naive since capitalism is mostly an analysis of how mu man’s behave. Ignoring human instinct is doomed to failure.

      In conversation Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:40:32 JST permalink
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      Marc Godin (quietmarc@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:43:41 JST Marc Godin Marc Godin
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      • MarkRNay
      • TobiWanKenobi

      @MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses You are so incredibly wrong, lol.

      In conversation Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:43:41 JST permalink
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      Marc Godin (quietmarc@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:43:41 JST Marc Godin Marc Godin
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      • TobiWanKenobi

      @MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses humans have been around 200,000 to 2 million years, it's naive to think those humans weren't as sophisticated, curious, and perceptive as we modern folk are. Thousands of cultures have experimented with different ways of organizing their societies, and lifeways other than capitalism have been tried and found to be successful. Capitalism has been around for about 500 years more or less. Wanna guess how long some Indigenous folks in North America were organizing their economies, before colonization came?

      Don't make the mistake of "might makes right", that just because one culture can violently supplant another culture, that this is "human nature" and "survival of the fittest". Species and cultures disappear, and we are in the middle of one heck of a big disappearance that we won't survive without drastic change.

      And keep in mind, right now capitalism is only "working" for the rich. Billions of humans and trillions of animals, plants, life, etc, are not finding "success" under capitalism.

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      Marc Godin (quietmarc@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:45:38 JST Marc Godin Marc Godin
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      • TobiWanKenobi

      @MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses A recent book I read that deals with some of these ideas is The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow that assembles discoveries made in archaeology, sociology, history to argue that early human societies were far more sophisticated than we give them credit for, they were self-aware of their social organization, and the book suggests we ask the wrong question when we say "why did capitalism/the west succeed" and instead we should be asking "why did we get *stuck* on this failing system, when our shared history is one of repeated experimentation and diversity.

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      Marc Godin (quietmarc@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:45:39 JST Marc Godin Marc Godin
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      • Holly Brigstocke 🏳️‍⚧️
      • Chris Shaw
      • MarkRNay
      • TobiWanKenobi

      @chrisshaw @TobiWanKenobi @hollybrigstocke @MarkRNay @breadandcircuses I see your "all wildlife is brutal" and raise you all the youtube videos of animals getting along. Also, lichen.

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      Chris Shaw (chrisshaw@twit.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:45:40 JST Chris Shaw Chris Shaw
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      • Holly Brigstocke 🏳️‍⚧️
      • MarkRNay
      • TobiWanKenobi
      • Marc Godin

      @TobiWanKenobi @hollybrigstocke @quietmarc @MarkRNay @breadandcircuses all wildlife is a just a brutal, relentless and unfair competition for resources.

      The only thing that sets humanity slightly apart from the rest of wildlife is regulation. It has made life a bit less brutal, but it still remains relentlessly unfair.

      I don't mind capitalism because the alternative of wildlife is too brutal for me to contemplate.

      In conversation Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:45:40 JST permalink
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      TobiWanKenobi (tobiwankenobi@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:45:41 JST TobiWanKenobi TobiWanKenobi
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      • Holly Brigstocke 🏳️‍⚧️
      • MarkRNay
      • Marc Godin

      @hollybrigstocke

      "You can't just dive in and meddle with a system which keeps food on everyone's table"

      No doubt that the capitalistic system has been a wonderful way to solve the problem it was accelerating itself in the ~200 years of its broader existence. Just the side-effect it causes are too dangerous as we can see with the drastic climate change gaining in drive. So it's not a question of "can't" anymore but a choice between "must" or "will be forced to" 🙂

      @quietmarc @MarkRNay @breadandcircuses

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      Holly Brigstocke 🏳️‍⚧️ (hollybrigstocke@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:45:42 JST Holly Brigstocke 🏳️‍⚧️ Holly Brigstocke 🏳️‍⚧️
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      • TobiWanKenobi
      • Marc Godin

      @quietmarc @MarkRNay @TobiWanKenobi @breadandcircuses

      I agree with your broad point. Where I disagree is the self-loathing of attacking the West as if anywhere else is a bastion of perfection. Like, Russia, China, or any number of shitpits is preferable.

      You can't just dive in and meddle with a system which keeps food on everyone's table but I certainly agree the model we seem stuck with for the very narrow present needs reform.

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      Bargearse (largess@mastodon.au)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:46:04 JST Bargearse Bargearse
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      • TobiWanKenobi

      @TobiWanKenobi

      >All civilizations come to an end at some point

      There are examples of ones that have last looong times eg the Australian Aborigines, some 60,000 years, the Khalari Bushmen, 100,000 years. They collapsed not from fighting mother nature like we are, or like the Khmer Empire did from weather changes but from the intervention of other more greedy men. They were so much more resilient then any other civilisation.

      https://aeon.co/essays/why-inequality-bothers-people-more-than-poverty

      We learned nothing from these amazing civilisations.

      What's unique about them is inequality, it held primancy at all times, everyone was equal. Agriculture took that away (need to "own" land, protect it from others etc, inequality starts with private property ownership ) and was the beginning of the end of us some 6000 years ago, we're just now reaching the final stages.

      Christopher Ryan's book "Civilized to Death" covers some of this.

      @breadandcircuses

      In conversation Saturday, 27-May-2023 23:46:04 JST permalink

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