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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@calckey.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 05:58:45 JST Chris Trottier

   Advocates of Fediblocking #Barcelona need to learn lessons from the #TwitterMigration when talk of Fediblock was also en vogue.
   
   To review:
   
   1. Despite hosting Twitter employees, a mass Fediblock on macaw.social didn’t happen
   
   2. Despite being run by a for-profit corporation, a mass Fediblock on vivaldi.social didn’t happen
   
   3. Despite being run by cryptobros, a mass Fediblock on mastodon.cloud and mstdn.jp didn’t happen
   
   4. Despite being run by a walled garden and hosting two Twitter co-founders, a mass Fediblock on me.dm didn’t happen
   
   5. Despite being funded by VCs (including Marc Bernioff), a mass Fediblock on moth.social didn’t happen
   
   So why do you all think the Fediverse will come together to block #Meta?
   
   And until mastodon.social and mastodon.online announce that Barcelona is Fediblocked, any notion of it happening is wishful thinking.
   
   So Barcelona is coming. We need to brace for impact. And we need to be strategic in our response.

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     Oliphantasmal Force (oliphant@oliphant.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 06:12:44 JST Oliphantasmal Force

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     @atomicpoet This is something I try to reiterate periodically. Unless you're talking about Gab or Kiwifarms or something (which generates a near-universal block response) fediblock works like this:

     1. A person or group announces a fediblock/suspend against a server.
     2. A small handful of servers investigate the claims, and Suspend/block.
     3. A slightly-larger number of servers silence as a first punitive step, or out of caution.
     4. The vast majority of everyone else does nothing (or treats it as a 'wait and see')

     People talk about 'defederation wars' as if there's massive numbers of servers all defederating in response to one event and that just has not happened in my experience.

     In this case?

     People might defederate right off the bat as a precautionary measure.

     But other servers won't.

     I do find it interesting you mention mastodon.social, however. Since I think some of the content (apologia for transphobia, for instance) would violate mastodon.social's rules.

     Most likely there will be several larger servers willing to federate with them.

     This is all just my opinion, but I don't think massive defederation is necessarily going to happen.

     Even if justified (for privacy/content reasons.)

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     Human 3500 (human3500@ottawa.place)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 06:17:51 JST Human 3500

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     @atomicpoet And each of us can block any instance we feel like, so no one should be worried about being forced to see their content.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@calckey.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 06:43:37 JST Chris Trottier

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     • ophiocephalic 🐍

     @ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social A schism implies a near-equal division. That’s not going to happen.
     
     What will more likely happen is sectarianism. A few spare servers will defederate, and they won’t represent much in terms of overall userbase.

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     ophiocephalic 🐍 (ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 06:43:38 JST ophiocephalic 🐍

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     @atomicpoet
     "So Barcelona is coming. We need to brace for impact. And we need to be strategic in our response."

     In that case, what is also coming is a schism. Then there will be a #FreeFediverse which carries on the banner of independence and decentralization, and a #FacebookFediverse which acquiesces to being recentralized and data-mined.

     None of these other examples you cite comes remotely close to the gravity of a Zuckerberg takeover. The historical example to point to is not Medium or Vivaldi, it's Gab

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     ophiocephalic 🐍 (ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 07:17:19 JST ophiocephalic 🐍

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     @atomicpoet
     The pro-Zuck contingent isn't paying attention to the intensity of our determination to avoid being assimilated by the borg. It's ironic, because said contingent seems to be mostly concerned with numbers, metrics, "growth". What we are concerned with is community, freedom and survival.

     Another thing I'll point out in response to your curt dismissal. One can detect a certain demographic slant to the pro-Zuck crowd. I won't kick the hornet's nest any harder than that, except to note that ppl in marginalized communities have the most to lose in a Meta takeover and are the most adamant about opting out of it. Something to keep in mind as you wave off this perspective as insignificant

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@calckey.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 07:17:19 JST Chris Trottier

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     • ophiocephalic 🐍

     @ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social You have freedom. If you like, you can block.
     
     But whether or not I’m in favour of a Fediblock doesn’t matter. If mastodon.social and mastodon.online don’t pull the trigger, it’s not happening.
     
     Further, marginalized communities exist on Mastodon-owned social networks. I care about safety, which is why it’s important to help people migrate away from Meta.

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     Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 (chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 07:21:19 JST Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

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     @atomicpoet good comment and analysis as always.

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     Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified: (sharan@metalhead.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-May-2023 07:22:15 JST Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified:

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     @atomicpoet
     Good God, all the drama is exciting, and I'm not saying this like 'omg, what are you all getting excited about' with the resting bitch face, but I'm truly excited about everything that's going on.

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