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   Dendan Setia (Nins) (cendawanita@mefi.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:11 JST Dendan Setia (Nins)

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   A lot of that explanation for the name is retroactive backformation. I certainly have grown up with the narrative that Malaysia is meant to be a name that represents the four (now three) territories but it's like our official explanation for the national flag makes no reference to it being inspired by the US flag 😂

   But Munkao's question is more to do what's going on in the Philippines itself, not the various regional groupings like Maphilindo. One Filipino episode of the whole naming issue that's been getting recent coverage is this one lol: https://www.esquiremag.ph/long-reads/features/philippines-almost-renamed-malaysia-a00289-20220601-lfrm

   ETA: but also it's not so much that Malaya kicked out Singapore. The funniest way I'll describe it is tht it was a badly calculated game of chicken for the Malaya side of Malaysia, and badly calculated because based on recently made-public papers, PAP was ready to take Singapore out, as they could see their federal prospects to take KL diminished.

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     @Munkao@dice.camp I'm not sure. I think you were recalling the precursor to #ASEAN, which was #MaPhilIndo (Malaya + Philippines + Indonesia?
     
     However, while it is being pursued, a certain political group in Malaya, backed by the United Kingdom, pushed for a Malaya + Sabah + Singapore (MalaySIa) federation. And then later kicked out Singapore.
     
     With Maphilindo out of the picture, the Philippines pushed for ASEAN instead, which was originally meant to block the growing influence of Communism in Southeast Asia.
     
     (n.b. I'm just trying to remember things, my answer would more likely be different if I dug this part of our history again.)
     
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     IIRC, Philippines also once considered using Malaysia as it's name or something right?

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     Something like that lol.... Basically they feel it's so sus that the term predates the federation to begin with and that's evidence we're a neocolonial plot to break the communist wave etc etc.

     So there's a kernel of truth (anthro-colonial fascination and categorization) that yields a farfetched conclusion (anything conspiratorial that won't accept opportunistic rolls of the dice + the UK being broke af)

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     Probably some “evil western forces created a bunch of colonial political entities out of South China Seas territories to hurt China” thing lol
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     ubi (ubi@ecoevo.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:21 JST ubi

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     @cendawanita @irfan @hishgraphics @Munkao Now I'm curious about this tankie theory. Where do they think the name comes from?

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     @ubi
     That video @irfan shared is how i know about this subfield. And today I'm 😂 at malesia. The tankies (which relates to my subspecialty) is going to be so mad (they're invested at the idea that Malaysia nomenclature being a western colonial plot)

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     ubi (ubi@ecoevo.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:23 JST ubi

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     @irfan @hishgraphics @Munkao There's a whole field that studies this called biogeography and that is one of the classic case studies.

     Basically we're on the Sunda plate, which has its own unique flora and fauna compared to Eurasia.

     Fun fact: Malaysia used to be a biogeographic term until some politicians took it. Now biologists have to use Malesia as a substitute.

     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malesia

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     @ubi@ecoevo.social @hishgraphics@dice.camp @Munkao@dice.camp i'm definitely not an expert so this could totally be irrelevant to the topic, but this reminded me of a video explaining the existence of "invisible barriers" and how/why even two neighbouring states could have vastly different biomes n animals.
     
     https://youtu.be/QTK_bC00ilg

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     ubi (ubi@ecoevo.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:29 JST ubi

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     @hishgraphics @Munkao Biologists have a name for the area that comprises Perlis, Langkawi and Northern Kedah: Kedawi. The species there are a bit different from the rest of the peninsula and have more similarities to Southern Thailand and include some Northern Thailand species as well.

     This biogeographic pattern is believed to be caused by climate, physical barriers like mountain ranges and historical factors.

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     Khairul Hisham (hishgraphics@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:30 JST Khairul Hisham

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     @Munkao I know of people bringing down to KL and eastward to Kelantan. For some reason, they don't flower, or the flower falls off before their become fruit I was told by someone in PJ.

     It might have evolved to only bear fruit in Perlis subtropical (instead of general Malaysian equatorial) climate, same as south Thailand. E.g. Perlis is further north along the latitude line compared to Kelantan.

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     Munkao (munkao@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:31 JST Munkao

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     @hishgraphics Oh why can't you plant it outside of Perlis? I think I saw it for sale at a nursery, the tree sapling I mean.

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     Khairul Hisham (hishgraphics@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:32 JST Khairul Hisham

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     @Munkao It's very savory. I think a huge reason why it's so expensive here is because you can't normally plant it outside of Perlis. However I do think that some of the other subspecies can give it a run for its money, like the chokanan mango. And I think the kuini mango smells 10 times sweeter.

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     Munkao (munkao@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:33 JST Munkao

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     @hishgraphics is harum manis really that good ah? I've yet to try it.
     The other day I saw mangoes from india, rm36 per kg. :O

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     Khairul Hisham (hishgraphics@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2023 23:29:34 JST Khairul Hisham

     Delicious harumasam, I mean harumasin, I mean harumanis mangoes from Mak Njang's orchard. They're sweet and fragrant.