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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@calckey.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 12:03:04 JST Chris Trottier

   • John Gruber

   Look at @gruber@mastodon.social defending #Meta, one of the worst tech companies on the planet.
   
   A company that’s responsible for Cambridge Analytica, a genocide in Myanmar, and PTSD in thousands of African content moderators—and this is just what has been documented.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@calckey.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 17:14:08 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Enrique Barcelli
     • John Gruber

     @kikobar@acc4e.com @gruber@mastodon.social No one stopping Meta from using ActivityPub. And no one’s stopping anyone from not federating with Meta. This is how it should always be.

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     Enrique Barcelli (kikobar@acc4e.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 17:14:09 JST Enrique Barcelli

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     • John Gruber

     @atomicpoet

     I don't think I like #Meta any more than you do.

     However, I still believe that any group should be allowed federate via an open federation standard until they have made obvious 'merits' to deserve being isolated/expelled/defederated.

     I have to be on @gruber camp on this one.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@calckey.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 17:17:27 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Enrique Barcelli
     • John Gruber
     • Ку :emojione_bear:🇧🇬🇪🇺

     @kikobar@acc4e.com @kunev@blewsky.social @gruber@mastodon.social It’s quite simply. Meta is worth blocking because they’re Meta. If a Meta server would lie about being Meta, well, all the more reason to block them.
     
     That said, we haven’t discussed blocking Meta yet her in https://calckey.social. We might prefer keeping federation in order to help Meta users migrate away from there.
     
     But on my personal server? Hell, yeah, I’m blocking them.

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     Enrique Barcelli (kikobar@acc4e.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 17:17:28 JST Enrique Barcelli

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     • John Gruber
     • Ку :emojione_bear:🇧🇬🇪🇺

     @kunev @atomicpoet @gruber
     The reality is that Meta and many other even uglier actors could hide behind any innocent looking organisation... and then remove the mask later....

     They can also acquire someone who is already federated...

     Moreover, for any AP compliant server or application to be 'defederated', we would need to convince the 23k admins to do it one-by-one... that is the nature of the Fediverse, so they WILL get a clean entrance no matter what. There is no way to block them at protocol level.

     Perhaps I am understanding the original post wrongly, but I don't see why we should do a preemptive block (for Meta or anyone), nor how we would execute such a thing in practice.

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     Ку :emojione_bear:🇧🇬🇪🇺 (kunev@blewsky.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 17:18:06 JST Ку :emojione_bear:🇧🇬🇪🇺

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     • Enrique Barcelli
     • John Gruber

     @kikobar@acc4e.com @atomicpoet@calckey.social @gruber@mastodon.social I think the point here is exactly that, Meta has already shown such "merits". It don't think they deserve a clean sleight just because they would add AP support and everyone should wait for them to accumulate enough fuckups post joining the fediverse before defederaring them.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@calckey.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 17:23:09 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Enrique Barcelli
     • John Gruber

     @kikobar@acc4e.com @gruber@mastodon.social Defederation from Meta is legitimate and doesn’t even require justification. They’re Meta. Case closed. If someone defederates from them, good!
     
     The only worthwhile question is, “When is it okay to federate with Meta—if ever?”

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     Enrique Barcelli (kikobar@acc4e.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 17:23:10 JST Enrique Barcelli

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     • John Gruber

     @atomicpoet

     So if you are expressing your dislike for Meta and their business practices, I cannot agree more with you.

     But @gruber point seemed more about federation/defederation to me... so I think I misunderstood you.